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I don't have the same problems in #1 that you do (copy/paste + selection). Only mentioning this because you say to go try it, and I did just these things prior

I don't have the same problems in #1 that you do (copy/paste + selection). Only mentioning this because you say to go try it, and I did just these things prior to reading your comment. Also, if you aren't aware of long pressing / holding the space bar to navigate, it's very useful.

ant6n 3y ago
I cant figure out how to paste something in many contexts without a long press, which will select text - so the paste will replace that text. So if i want to insert something, I will write a couple of chars of garbage, long-press-select, then paste-replace. iOS strangely is full of these little hickups, it sometimes feels like back in Windows. (Also the auto correct is so annoyingly dumb and broken)
- andelink 3y ago
  I do a light tap to bring up the copy/paste options. Long-press activates the navigation mode to drag the cursor.
jmyeet 3y ago
You reminded me of another iOS UI/UX fail: the long press (and Force Touch). Apple famously for many years avoided adding a second mouse button. Steve Jobs was against it. Why? Because it lacked discoverability and consistency. He ultimately lost this because the context menu on Windows became pretty consistent and universal. But his ultimatel point applies to long presses (and similar): where is the discoverability? Most people don't realize this can do something different. If they do, there's no consistency to it. Even in your example, why would I expect to move the cursor around by long pressing the space bar? They added a non-intuitive gesture to make up for the failure they created by messing with the original copy and paste that worked just fine. Both apple and Google created a similar problem with the address bar on browsers. Notice how hard it is to delect part of a URL? Why would you want to do this? Example: removing the stupid text fragment on Google search results so you can copy and paste the URL. Click (or press) once and you select the whole URL. Click (or press) again and it brings up a menu with options like cut, copy and translate. To get rid of the selection you have to click outside the selection area. Now you can click the text like the search term but it snaps to word endings. What if I want to just correct spelling without re-typing the whole word? All I want is to finely select in the URL and they've added so many extra steps and barriers to make this as difficult as possible in the name of "usability".
- andelink 3y ago
  I'm a fan of the space bar navigation. It's not a replacement, it's an additional way to move the cursor. Feel free to tap to the position you'd like, or long-press-and-drag the cursor directly.

ant6n 3y ago

I cant figure out how to paste something in many contexts without a long press, which will select text - so the paste will replace that text. So if i want to insert something, I will write a couple of chars of garbage, long-press-select, then paste-replace. iOS strangely is full of these little hickups, it sometimes feels like back in Windows. (Also the auto correct is so annoyingly dumb and broken)

andelink 3y ago
I do a light tap to bring up the copy/paste options. Long-press activates the navigation mode to drag the cursor.

jmyeet 3y ago

You reminded me of another iOS UI/UX fail: the long press (and Force Touch). Apple famously for many years avoided adding a second mouse button. Steve Jobs was against it. Why? Because it lacked discoverability and consistency. He ultimately lost this because the context menu on Windows became pretty consistent and universal. But his ultimatel point applies to long presses (and similar): where is the discoverability? Most people don't realize this can do something different. If they do, there's no consistency to it. Even in your example, why would I expect to move the cursor around by long pressing the space bar? They added a non-intuitive gesture to make up for the failure they created by messing with the original copy and paste that worked just fine. Both apple and Google created a similar problem with the address bar on browsers. Notice how hard it is to delect part of a URL? Why would you want to do this? Example: removing the stupid text fragment on Google search results so you can copy and paste the URL. Click (or press) once and you select the whole URL. Click (or press) again and it brings up a menu with options like cut, copy and translate. To get rid of the selection you have to click outside the selection area. Now you can click the text like the search term but it snaps to word endings. What if I want to just correct spelling without re-typing the whole word? All I want is to finely select in the URL and they've added so many extra steps and barriers to make this as difficult as possible in the name of "usability".

andelink 3y ago
I'm a fan of the space bar navigation. It's not a replacement, it's an additional way to move the cursor. Feel free to tap to the position you'd like, or long-press-and-drag the cursor directly.