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Look, I'm as skeptical as anyone, but please watch your rebuttal. When has there ever been a senior official with a significant reputation coming out like this

Look, I'm as skeptical as anyone, but please watch your rebuttal. When has there ever been a senior official with a significant reputation coming out like this? That in itself is 'extraordinary' evidence. Is this proof that life is out there? No, but if you're not updating your priors, you're not rational.

IAmGraydon 3y ago
The identity of the "whistleblower" doesn't change the fact that it is EXTREMELY unlikely that this has been claimed to have happened in multiple countries over multiple decades and yet there is not a single picture that doesn't look like it was taken with a potato. There is not a single sample of material. None of the craft has ever fallen into civilian hands. All of the involved governments have been able to keep it a secret. As I'm sure all of you are aware, all of this is statistically improbable to the point that it can likely be safely considered to be untrue. If we're considering probabilities, I think it's far more likely that the US Government is running some kind of psychological operation.
- Loquebantur 3y ago
  Nothing of what you claim there is true to begin with. People encountering this topic have a weird tendency to take their own lack of knowledge as "proof" for inexistence of anything worthwhile. You cannot claim to be an "expert"(in itself a term only referring to human knowledge) in something without actually having checked with other experts in the field.
  - IAmGraydon 3y ago
    Oh good so there is material evidence of this occurring. Eagerly awaiting your post with links to said evidence.
    - Loquebantur 3y ago
      Your claim was > There is not a single sample of material. There are multiple. Maybe look here for starters: https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7nzkq/stanford-professor-garry-nolan-analyzing-anomalous-materials-from-ufo-crashes https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7nzkq/stanford-professor-ga...
- graderjs 3y ago
  That’s not true, and that’s the wrong position to take now: that’s just denying the evidence. That’s okay to do, some people are going to do that for a while and need time. But if you stick to denying, just own it, don’t pretend it’s the truth or reality. For the curious: There’s lots of evidence in photo and video form, and there are tiny fragments seemingly with advanced metallurgy. These are things that have already made it into the public. Check out the YouTube channel: Unidentified. What’s missing is “official confirmation”, because the government/corporate aspect is afraid of what they don’t understand and can’t control, so they have to deny it. It challenges their authority. If this insider becomes or helps beget official confirmation: that would be cool. It would mean we actually live in a powerful state that isn’t afraid of reality, however humbling that may be.
  - Pompidou 3y ago
    Can you provide any link to good photos or videos evidences ? I've never heard of any advanced metallurgy. Do you have any usefull web ressource for me to know more ?
    - graderjs 3y ago
      Haha, I watched the video the other day on that channel, but I can't remember which video it was, sorry! Alright I found two that are related to what I mean (that actually shows the fragments): - https://youtu.be/zNZHTlRFD6E?t=1415 https://youtu.be/zNZHTlRFD6E?t=1415 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9xDsOkrPRo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9xDsOkrPRo These ones are connected to Linda Moulton Howe. Here's another one with I guess different fragments related to Gary Nolan (where he just talks with Lex Friedman): https://youtu.be/EBsUIj_UBBE?t=50 https://youtu.be/EBsUIj_UBBE?t=50
      - hypnotode 3y ago
        >Unironically posting ancient aliens. First video, guy finds small piece of metal with a metal detector. He's a geology professor, but doesn't go into the geology at all, just "I've never seen anything like this in all my years" ∴ alien metallurgy maybe. Second video: Are there desirable properties to an alloy of bismuth and magnesium? The 'expert metallurgist from New Jersey' didn't say, just that they didn't know of any way to make it. All that really proves is the limits of the knowledge of one metallurgist from New Jersey. There are any numbers of ways that metal might condensate in layers over time, all unlikely to naturally occur, but any far more likely than ancient aliens. Third video: Guy literally admits that this is all pure speculation and that no definitive conclusions can be drawn from these random pieces of metal and that none of them are rule out all possibilities besides the existence of visitors with manufacturing technology beyond our comprehension.
- _1feg 3y ago
  That's exactly what's happening here. This is guaranteed to be a psy op. And the fact that all of this is happening now amid these insanely accelerating advancements in AI tech is not a coincidence. Soon (if not already) they will be able to generate an entire backstory for an "advanced alien race", coupled with AI generated imagery, video, audio and whatever else with barely any effort.
  - mostlysimilar 3y ago
    Okay, for what purpose?
  - blazespin 3y ago
    So basically, your rebuttal is that it's not this crazy thing, it's this other very crazy thing. Ok...
MattGaiser 3y ago
Former Canadian Minister of Defense made a ton of alien claims while he was alive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hellyer#Extraterrestrial_intelligence_claims https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hellyer#Extraterrestrial_...
- Loquebantur 3y ago
  And "even" HN commenters ressort to stupid rhetoric tricks when out of arguments. The existence of outlandish sounding but unsubtantiated claims remotely similar to the one on topic here is not indicative of anything.
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  - MattGaiser 3y ago
    I am not making any arguments at all. I am not sure what to make of this. I am just providing an answer to this question: > When has there ever been a senior official with a significant reputation coming out like this? A former Canadian Minister of Defense did.

IAmGraydon 3y ago

The identity of the "whistleblower" doesn't change the fact that it is EXTREMELY unlikely that this has been claimed to have happened in multiple countries over multiple decades and yet there is not a single picture that doesn't look like it was taken with a potato. There is not a single sample of material. None of the craft has ever fallen into civilian hands. All of the involved governments have been able to keep it a secret. As I'm sure all of you are aware, all of this is statistically improbable to the point that it can likely be safely considered to be untrue. If we're considering probabilities, I think it's far more likely that the US Government is running some kind of psychological operation.

Loquebantur 3y ago
Nothing of what you claim there is true to begin with. People encountering this topic have a weird tendency to take their own lack of knowledge as "proof" for inexistence of anything worthwhile. You cannot claim to be an "expert"(in itself a term only referring to human knowledge) in something without actually having checked with other experts in the field.
- IAmGraydon 3y ago
  Oh good so there is material evidence of this occurring. Eagerly awaiting your post with links to said evidence.
  - Loquebantur 3y ago
    Your claim was > There is not a single sample of material. There are multiple. Maybe look here for starters: https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7nzkq/stanford-professor-garry-nolan-analyzing-anomalous-materials-from-ufo-crashes https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7nzkq/stanford-professor-ga...
graderjs 3y ago
That’s not true, and that’s the wrong position to take now: that’s just denying the evidence. That’s okay to do, some people are going to do that for a while and need time. But if you stick to denying, just own it, don’t pretend it’s the truth or reality. For the curious: There’s lots of evidence in photo and video form, and there are tiny fragments seemingly with advanced metallurgy. These are things that have already made it into the public. Check out the YouTube channel: Unidentified. What’s missing is “official confirmation”, because the government/corporate aspect is afraid of what they don’t understand and can’t control, so they have to deny it. It challenges their authority. If this insider becomes or helps beget official confirmation: that would be cool. It would mean we actually live in a powerful state that isn’t afraid of reality, however humbling that may be.
- Pompidou 3y ago
  Can you provide any link to good photos or videos evidences ? I've never heard of any advanced metallurgy. Do you have any usefull web ressource for me to know more ?
  - graderjs 3y ago
    Haha, I watched the video the other day on that channel, but I can't remember which video it was, sorry! Alright I found two that are related to what I mean (that actually shows the fragments): - https://youtu.be/zNZHTlRFD6E?t=1415 https://youtu.be/zNZHTlRFD6E?t=1415 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9xDsOkrPRo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9xDsOkrPRo These ones are connected to Linda Moulton Howe. Here's another one with I guess different fragments related to Gary Nolan (where he just talks with Lex Friedman): https://youtu.be/EBsUIj_UBBE?t=50 https://youtu.be/EBsUIj_UBBE?t=50
    - hypnotode 3y ago
      >Unironically posting ancient aliens. First video, guy finds small piece of metal with a metal detector. He's a geology professor, but doesn't go into the geology at all, just "I've never seen anything like this in all my years" ∴ alien metallurgy maybe. Second video: Are there desirable properties to an alloy of bismuth and magnesium? The 'expert metallurgist from New Jersey' didn't say, just that they didn't know of any way to make it. All that really proves is the limits of the knowledge of one metallurgist from New Jersey. There are any numbers of ways that metal might condensate in layers over time, all unlikely to naturally occur, but any far more likely than ancient aliens. Third video: Guy literally admits that this is all pure speculation and that no definitive conclusions can be drawn from these random pieces of metal and that none of them are rule out all possibilities besides the existence of visitors with manufacturing technology beyond our comprehension.
_1feg 3y ago
That's exactly what's happening here. This is guaranteed to be a psy op. And the fact that all of this is happening now amid these insanely accelerating advancements in AI tech is not a coincidence. Soon (if not already) they will be able to generate an entire backstory for an "advanced alien race", coupled with AI generated imagery, video, audio and whatever else with barely any effort.
- mostlysimilar 3y ago
  Okay, for what purpose?
- blazespin 3y ago
  So basically, your rebuttal is that it's not this crazy thing, it's this other very crazy thing. Ok...

MattGaiser 3y ago

Former Canadian Minister of Defense made a ton of alien claims while he was alive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hellyer#Extraterrestrial_intelligence_claims https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hellyer#Extraterrestrial_...

Loquebantur 3y ago
And "even" HN commenters ressort to stupid rhetoric tricks when out of arguments. The existence of outlandish sounding but unsubtantiated claims remotely similar to the one on topic here is not indicative of anything.
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- MattGaiser 3y ago
  I am not making any arguments at all. I am not sure what to make of this. I am just providing an answer to this question: > When has there ever been a senior official with a significant reputation coming out like this? A former Canadian Minister of Defense did.