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Point one just sounds like your opinion that securities regulations should not exist. Seems like a little stump-box-y to post in a thread about high-profile, bl
by whateveracct 3y ago
Point one just sounds like your opinion that securities regulations should not exist. Seems like a little stump-box-y to post in a thread about high-profile, blatant securities law criminality lol.
- alphanullmeric 3y ago[flagged]
- lern_too_spel 3y agoIt should be possible for non-consenting individuals to claw back their money when needed, by rules agreed to by the society they live in. Agree or disagree? More than one word, please. A full explanation is required to justify allowing DPRK and Russia to fund themselves by stealing from crypto-fools and innocent bystanders around the world.
- z3c0 3y agoCan you make the same argument without invoking international bogeymen? This is basically one of the aforementioned Patriot Act talking points.
- lern_too_spel 3y agoI already did. DPRK and Russia aren't imaginary. https://blog.chainalysis.com/reports/2022-crypto-crime-report-preview-russia-ransomware-money-laundering/ https://blog.chainalysis.com/reports/2022-crypto-crime-repor... https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/30/business/north-korea-crypto-hack.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/30/business/north-korea-cryp...
- z3c0 3y agoAlmost all international bogeymen are real in some capacity. The point is that they're used to invoke fear towards concession of one's right to do what they wish with their acquired capital. The US justice system is designed to protect the innocent minority, not hunt the guilty majority.
- lern_too_spel 3y agoAny justice system is designed to increase the general welfare. If it unfairly target minorities, the unrest will negate any benefit. We pass laws for regulating fertilizer purchase even though it inconveniences some innocent minority because it protects the innocent majority.
- alphanullmeric 3y agoThis is to the point I made on the patriot act. You support the redistribution of consequences and I don’t, that’s what makes us different.
- lern_too_spel 3y agoI don't know how you call preventing DPRK and Russia from getting money "redistribution of consequences." That's what makes us different.
- alphanullmeric 3y agoIf you are consistent, then Signal should be banned and KYC should be required for encrypted messengers to prevent Russia and the DPRK from being able to organize attacks.
- lern_too_spel 3y agoHow is that consistent? DPRK and Russia can already use their own messaging systems. They cannot create a cryptocurrency and make Americans use it in order to steal their money.
- alphanullmeric 3y agoI took your complaints about financial privacy and applied it nearly word for word to communication privacy, and you switched sides. Stop moving the goalposts. You lack both consistency and honesty which is why you are losing this argument.
- lern_too_spel 3y agoYou've already lost the argument. There is nothing the US can do to prevent Russia and DPRK from securely communicating. There is something the US can do to prevent them from stealing money from Americans using cryptocurrencies.
- shkkmo 3y agoEasy agree. There are all kinds of things you can do with money that should be (and are) illegal. Hiring a hitman should be illegal. Buying slaves should be illegal. Bribing the court system should be illegal. This is not to say that every restrictions is justified, but taking the stance that no restrictions are justified is advocating anarchy.
- z3c0 3y agoBeing a hitman should be illegal. Selling a slave should be illegal. Accepting a bribery should be illegal. Chop the trunk, not the branches.
- chunky1994 3y agoThese are all also illegal. This doesn't take way from the parent.
- lijok 3y ago[flagged]
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> Being a hitman should be illegal You don't see any reason why hiring a hitman should also be illegal?
- z3c0 3y agoNo, I don't. Hitmen being unavailable would make it a non-issue, and conspiracy to commit murder is already a crime. As I mentioned in another comment in this thread, the US justice system (and French, giving credit where it is due) is designed to protect the innocent minority, not pursue the guilty majority. Patchwork legislation and wasting resources pursuing consumers instead of providers results in an eroding of basic civil liberties that may not be immediately apparent when one is focused solely on the issues used to provoke such concessions.
- shkkmo 3y agoBoth a hitman and the hirer can both be consenting adults, but we still shouldn't make it legal for the hirer to give money to a hitman to kill someone. Thus you agree that there are things that consenting adults should not be allowed to do with their money. Edit: There are good points about how much freedom it is worth giving away to make it easy to catch this crime, but I have a hard time seeing an argument for it not being illegal.
- brockhaywood 3y agoSaying this needs a one word answer is pretty reductive. I think it's obviously more nuanced than that.
- lijok 3y agoDisagree. I should be able to use my money to hire someone to kick you in the nuts.
- alphanullmeric 3y agoWhat part of “consenting individuals” is so hard for you to understand?
- whateveracct 3y agoI mean it sounds like the individuals involved in the money exchange were consenting.
- alphanullmeric 3y agoBut the person getting kicked in the nuts isn’t. Who is getting kicked in the nuts when I trade on binance?