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Most of the road is only there because people use cars instead of public transport. Keep 2 lanes as necessary,the remaining lanes should be divided among the ca
by ajuc 3y ago
Most of the road is only there because people use cars instead of public transport. Keep 2 lanes as necessary,the remaining lanes should be divided among the cars as wasted space caused by them.
- josephcsible 3y ago> Most of the road is only there because people use cars instead of public transport. Buses need roads too, and train tracks are just as big as roads but less versatile.
- rootusrootus 3y ago> Buses need roads too And delivery vehicles, emergency vehicles, etc. We certainly had roads before we had cars.
- goosedragons 3y agoSure. Were they as wide? Do we need 4 lane stroads if most commuters moved to bicycles, public transit or walking?
- rootusrootus 3y agoThere are considerably more people today than there were before cars, so it's hard to say how wide the roads would need to be if we could make bicycles, public transit, and walking a functional equivalent for cars.
- ajuc 3y agoWe don't have to guess. Netherlands has 500 people per km2. USA has 36. Road that connects 3 biggest cities in Netherlands has 3 lanes in each direction: https://www.google.com/maps/@52.1822053,4.5947627,3a,75y,47.43h,68.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjWbzg1ULl7plGJgQdewN-A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu https://www.google.com/maps/@52.1822053,4.5947627,3a,75y,47.... Your average road in Netherlands looks like this: https://www.google.com/maps/@52.1968565,4.592548,3a,75y,58.84h,70.23t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sJErVQHv6sBE0By1yjRNClw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DJErVQHv6sBE0By1yjRNClw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D170.54272%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu https://www.google.com/maps/@52.1968565,4.592548,3a,75y,58.8... You cannot directly translate between countries with such difference in population density obviously, but if anything - the more people USA has - the bigger gains are there to be realized by switching to more efficient mode of transport.
- paconbork 3y agoThe roads in this old video of NYC still look pretty wide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXRnGwbrnOo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXRnGwbrnOo Mind you there's some cars in the videos, but they aren't any bigger than the horse-drawn carriages that roads had been accommodating well before that.
- ajuc 3y agoThat's why I said keep 2 lanes.
- goosedragons 3y agoTrain tracks don't have parking off to the side. Buses don't need that either. Neither do they need parking spots at every destination to be useful. They are both much more space efficient than cars especially when you consider most cars have one passenger a lot of the time. Parking lots and on street parking is a tremendous waste of space (and they're ugly to boot) and forces EVERYTHING to be more spread out.
- ajuc 3y ago> Buses need roads too That's why I said keep 2 lanes (1 in each direction). Anything more is optional and should be counted as effect of car-centric development model. > train tracks are just as big as roads but less versatile 1 railway track in each direction gives you more throughput than any multi-lane motorway possibly could.