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I'm not convinced you're putting the blame in the right place. Looking at the last decade or so, most of the original films — Inside Out, Coco, Luca, Turning Re

I'm not convinced you're putting the blame in the right place. Looking at the last decade or so, most of the original films — Inside Out, Coco, Luca, Turning Red, etc — have ranged from "great" to "incredible". It's the sequels and spinoffs like Cars 3, Toy Story 4 and Lightyear that have fallen flat. I don't know where in the Disney org chart people start worrying about revenue, but from where I sit Pixar still has plenty of spark.

robertlagrant 3y ago
Er - I'm not sure about that. Toy Story 4 took in over a billion[0] worldwide. Coco and Inside Out did around $800m[1] each, but Luca did very poorly, taking under $50m.[2]. Turning Red appears to be the worst, on a $250m budget (and probably similar for marketing, it took $20m[3]. [0] https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt1979376 https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt1979376 [1] https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt2380307 https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt2380307 [2] https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt12801262 https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt12801262 [3] https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt8097030 https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt8097030
- jakelazaroff 3y ago
  I mean, it’s entirely unsurprising to me that established IPs pull more at the box office than new ones — that’s the whole reason they keep churning them out! Look at the top box office grosses [1]: the list is absolutely dominated by giant franchises, sequels and remakes. Anyway, I’m much more interested in talking about what I thought you were originally: the qualitative “creative spark” that makes (or made) Pixar movies so special. [1] https://www.boxofficemojo.com/chart/top_lifetime_gross/?area=XWW https://www.boxofficemojo.com/chart/top_lifetime_gross/?area...
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- tzs 3y ago
  > Coco and Inside Out did around $800m each, but Luca did very poorly, taking under $50m. Coco had a domestic theatrical release and was in theaters in over 50 other countries. Luca did not get a domestic theatrical release (except for one week in one theater). Internationally it was in theaters in 20 countries. Similar for Turning Red except it was only in theaters in 17 countries. Luca and to a lesser extent Turning Red did reasonably well in those countries where they were actually in theaters considering that it was during a pandemic when attendance was down. If they had been released in theaters in a non-pandemic year and in all the countries Coco was in they would have probably been at least $500m movies. Luca was the most streamed movie of 2021 (10.6x10^9 minutes of streaming) (and it was #9 in 2022 with another 5x10^9 minutes) , and Turning Red was the second most streamed movie of 2022 (11.4x10^9 minutes) (#1 was Encanto at 27.4x10^9 minutes). BTW, Encanto did get a domestic theater release and an international theater release in almost as many countries as Coco and yet only pulled in $256m worldwide. I think that's a pretty good illustration of how much the pandemic affected box office.

robertlagrant 3y ago

Er - I'm not sure about that. Toy Story 4 took in over a billion[0] worldwide. Coco and Inside Out did around $800m[1] each, but Luca did very poorly, taking under $50m.[2]. Turning Red appears to be the worst, on a $250m budget (and probably similar for marketing, it took $20m[3]. [0] https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt1979376 https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt1979376 [1] https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt2380307 https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt2380307 [2] https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt12801262 https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt12801262 [3] https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt8097030 https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt8097030

jakelazaroff 3y ago
I mean, it’s entirely unsurprising to me that established IPs pull more at the box office than new ones — that’s the whole reason they keep churning them out! Look at the top box office grosses [1]: the list is absolutely dominated by giant franchises, sequels and remakes. Anyway, I’m much more interested in talking about what I thought you were originally: the qualitative “creative spark” that makes (or made) Pixar movies so special. [1] https://www.boxofficemojo.com/chart/top_lifetime_gross/?area=XWW https://www.boxofficemojo.com/chart/top_lifetime_gross/?area...
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tzs 3y ago
> Coco and Inside Out did around $800m each, but Luca did very poorly, taking under $50m. Coco had a domestic theatrical release and was in theaters in over 50 other countries. Luca did not get a domestic theatrical release (except for one week in one theater). Internationally it was in theaters in 20 countries. Similar for Turning Red except it was only in theaters in 17 countries. Luca and to a lesser extent Turning Red did reasonably well in those countries where they were actually in theaters considering that it was during a pandemic when attendance was down. If they had been released in theaters in a non-pandemic year and in all the countries Coco was in they would have probably been at least $500m movies. Luca was the most streamed movie of 2021 (10.6x10^9 minutes of streaming) (and it was #9 in 2022 with another 5x10^9 minutes) , and Turning Red was the second most streamed movie of 2022 (11.4x10^9 minutes) (#1 was Encanto at 27.4x10^9 minutes). BTW, Encanto did get a domestic theater release and an international theater release in almost as many countries as Coco and yet only pulled in $256m worldwide. I think that's a pretty good illustration of how much the pandemic affected box office.