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Those early podcasts are amazing. The discussion of "How do I move the turtle in LOGO?" [1] is where Stackoverflow became what it is rather than what it could

Those early podcasts are amazing. The discussion of "How do I move the turtle in LOGO?" [1] is where Stackoverflow became what it is rather than what it could have been. They were hard to find ten years ago when I listened to them. Maybe they are still around somewhere, but they were obscured by SEO last time I tried finding them a couple of years ago. Anyway, Joel lost and so did we all. [1]: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1003841/how-do-i-move-the-turtle-in-logo https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1003841/how-do-i-move-th...

shagie 3y ago
The site that exists now is much closer to Joel's ideal site than Jeff's ideal site. I'm not sure how you can say Joel lost. https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2008/09/15/stack-overflow-launches/ https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2008/09/15/stack-overflow-lau... > What kind of questions are appropriate? Well, thanks to the tagging system, we can be rather broad with that. As long as questions are appropriately tagged, I think it’s okay to be off topic as long as what you’re asking about is of interest to people who make software. But it does have to be a question. Stack Overflow isn’t a good place for imponderables, or public service announcements, or vague complaints, or storytelling. While its a bit more refined than that now, that is a different ideal than the one posed in https://blog.codinghorror.com/introducing-stackoverflow-com/ https://blog.codinghorror.com/introducing-stackoverflow-com/ > Stackoverflow is sort of like the anti-experts-exchange (minus the nausea-inducing sleaze and quasi-legal search engine gaming) meets wikipedia meets programming reddit. It is by programmers, for programmers, with the ultimate intent of collectively increasing the sum total of good programming knowledge in the world. No matter what programming language you use, or what operating system you call home. Better programming is our goal. The emphasis on "good" in "with the ultimate intent of collectively increasing the sum total of good programming knowledge in the world." is in the original.
- brudgers 3y ago
  Spolsky thought it was a legitimate question. Instead the site normalized brogrammerism. As a moderation mechanism. As a community value.

shagie 3y ago

The site that exists now is much closer to Joel's ideal site than Jeff's ideal site. I'm not sure how you can say Joel lost. https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2008/09/15/stack-overflow-launches/ https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2008/09/15/stack-overflow-lau... > What kind of questions are appropriate? Well, thanks to the tagging system, we can be rather broad with that. As long as questions are appropriately tagged, I think it’s okay to be off topic as long as what you’re asking about is of interest to people who make software. But it does have to be a question. Stack Overflow isn’t a good place for imponderables, or public service announcements, or vague complaints, or storytelling. While its a bit more refined than that now, that is a different ideal than the one posed in https://blog.codinghorror.com/introducing-stackoverflow-com/ https://blog.codinghorror.com/introducing-stackoverflow-com/ > Stackoverflow is sort of like the anti-experts-exchange (minus the nausea-inducing sleaze and quasi-legal search engine gaming) meets wikipedia meets programming reddit. It is by programmers, for programmers, with the ultimate intent of collectively increasing the sum total of good programming knowledge in the world. No matter what programming language you use, or what operating system you call home. Better programming is our goal. The emphasis on "good" in "with the ultimate intent of collectively increasing the sum total of good programming knowledge in the world." is in the original.

brudgers 3y ago
Spolsky thought it was a legitimate question. Instead the site normalized brogrammerism. As a moderation mechanism. As a community value.