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> A ceasefire comes at the cost of all Ukrainian lives in the territory that Russia has already invaded. Based on what? These are mostly the ethnical Russian i

> A ceasefire comes at the cost of all Ukrainian lives in the territory that Russia has already invaded. Based on what? These are mostly the ethnical Russian in eastern Ukraine. Anyone who didn't like Russia has long left before the territory could be taken. Many of these people even have relatives in Russia. Now why do you assume Russia will simply exterminate any living being in the territories it just taken? > Additionally all a ceasefire does is allow Russia to build up its forces again and invade in the future. Why do you assume Ukraine has to sit waiting without doing anything in the meantime? Ukraine can build up forces as much as Russia can. Ukraine could join NATO as well. There are countless solutions to your problem that don't require any lives to be sacrificed for it.

_kbh_ 3y ago
> Now why do you assume Russia will simply exterminate any living being in the territories it just taken? Because evidence suggests they do this for kicks sometimes. They have already slaughtered their say through Russian speaking towns why wouldn’t they continue to do this?. > Why do you assume Ukraine has to sit waiting without doing anything in the meantime? Ukraine can build up forces as much as Russia can. Ukraine could join NATO as well. There are countless solutions to your problem that don't require any lives to be sacrificed for it. You cannot join NATO whilst having active territorial disputes and a ceasefire is exactly that.
- pastacacioepepe 3y ago
  > Because evidence suggests they do this for kicks sometimes. They have already slaughtered their say through Russian speaking towns why wouldn’t they continue to do this?. You know you are saying this in bad faith. What should we be saying of the American war crimes in the middle east? You wouldn't come to the conclusion that the USA in general commits war crimes "for kicks" right? War crimes happen during war times. To stop the crimes, end wars. > You cannot join NATO whilst having active territorial disputes and a ceasefire is exactly that. Then call it peace instead of ceasefire.
  - _kbh_ 3y ago
    > You know you are saying this in bad faith. What should we be saying of the American war crimes in the middle east? You wouldn't come to the conclusion that the USA in general commits war crimes "for kicks" right? War crimes happen during war times. To stop the crimes, end wars. Nice whataboutism but I have already stated on here multiple times what I think of Americas wars. Now can you state that Russia should leave Ukraine and stop raping and torturing its civilians?. > Then call it peace instead of ceasefire. Why not peace with hitler?. You and all the other Russia supporters on here have the same energy and would have instantly capitulated the Sudetenland to hitler but I’m sure he will stop!. The answer for why not peace?, Ukraine wants peace, a peace without the army that raped and tortured its way through its population in flagrant violation of the Budapest memorandum inside its border. Would you give up part of your house to the person who raped your children or would you fight back?.
    - pastacacioepepe 3y ago
      > Nice whataboutism but I have already stated on here multiple times what I think of Americas wars. Not whataboutism, you're parroting the word without knowing what it means. I'm just saying that war crimes happen in any war, even when supposedly civilized nations fight. > Why not peace with hitler? Putin is in no way Hitler, modern Russia is no nazi Germany. If you don't understand the difference, please go study some history, I won't debate you on this. > a peace without the army that raped and tortured its way through its population This is an extreme exageration. There have been war crimes as in any other war. To say that the Russian army has systematically been doing this is a lie. The Ukrainian army is responsible of war crimes as well. > Would you give up part of your house to the person who raped your children or would you fight back?. This kind of idiotic comparison has no ground in reality. We're not talking about a house, Ukraine has no "children" as it is a nation, and if you really want to insist on the pathetic children analogy, "fighting back" requires tens or perhaps hundreds of thousands more children to die. Would you sacrifice tens of thousands of your children to take back your house? See how groundless an analogy that is?
      - _kbh_ 3y ago

_kbh_ 3y ago

> Now why do you assume Russia will simply exterminate any living being in the territories it just taken? Because evidence suggests they do this for kicks sometimes. They have already slaughtered their say through Russian speaking towns why wouldn’t they continue to do this?. > Why do you assume Ukraine has to sit waiting without doing anything in the meantime? Ukraine can build up forces as much as Russia can. Ukraine could join NATO as well. There are countless solutions to your problem that don't require any lives to be sacrificed for it. You cannot join NATO whilst having active territorial disputes and a ceasefire is exactly that.

pastacacioepepe 3y ago
> Because evidence suggests they do this for kicks sometimes. They have already slaughtered their say through Russian speaking towns why wouldn’t they continue to do this?. You know you are saying this in bad faith. What should we be saying of the American war crimes in the middle east? You wouldn't come to the conclusion that the USA in general commits war crimes "for kicks" right? War crimes happen during war times. To stop the crimes, end wars. > You cannot join NATO whilst having active territorial disputes and a ceasefire is exactly that. Then call it peace instead of ceasefire.
- _kbh_ 3y ago
  > You know you are saying this in bad faith. What should we be saying of the American war crimes in the middle east? You wouldn't come to the conclusion that the USA in general commits war crimes "for kicks" right? War crimes happen during war times. To stop the crimes, end wars. Nice whataboutism but I have already stated on here multiple times what I think of Americas wars. Now can you state that Russia should leave Ukraine and stop raping and torturing its civilians?. > Then call it peace instead of ceasefire. Why not peace with hitler?. You and all the other Russia supporters on here have the same energy and would have instantly capitulated the Sudetenland to hitler but I’m sure he will stop!. The answer for why not peace?, Ukraine wants peace, a peace without the army that raped and tortured its way through its population in flagrant violation of the Budapest memorandum inside its border. Would you give up part of your house to the person who raped your children or would you fight back?.
  - pastacacioepepe 3y ago
    > Nice whataboutism but I have already stated on here multiple times what I think of Americas wars. Not whataboutism, you're parroting the word without knowing what it means. I'm just saying that war crimes happen in any war, even when supposedly civilized nations fight. > Why not peace with hitler? Putin is in no way Hitler, modern Russia is no nazi Germany. If you don't understand the difference, please go study some history, I won't debate you on this. > a peace without the army that raped and tortured its way through its population This is an extreme exageration. There have been war crimes as in any other war. To say that the Russian army has systematically been doing this is a lie. The Ukrainian army is responsible of war crimes as well. > Would you give up part of your house to the person who raped your children or would you fight back?. This kind of idiotic comparison has no ground in reality. We're not talking about a house, Ukraine has no "children" as it is a nation, and if you really want to insist on the pathetic children analogy, "fighting back" requires tens or perhaps hundreds of thousands more children to die. Would you sacrifice tens of thousands of your children to take back your house? See how groundless an analogy that is?
    - _kbh_ 3y ago