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I call BS. OpenAI was originally meant to be an open source and non-profit company. It is now a closed source, for-profit company and is controlled by the compa

I call BS. OpenAI was originally meant to be an open source and non-profit company. It is now a closed source, for-profit company and is controlled by the company that gave FUD its original meaning for discrediting others who stood against it. It is supreme naivety to think they will not use whatever they can to gain power in the AI arena. There is nothing in that statement that a high powered lawyer can not twist and bend to their liking. I can easily see the transformer matrix weights being defines as "aggregate data" -- "they are just floating point numbers -- they are not anyone's source code."

halostatue 3y ago
OpenAI != GitHub even if GitHub has allowed training on public repositories (which I believe to be an absolute mistake because it should be preserving licensing on the processed repositories and we know that it is not doing so). There are many reasons to distrust Microsoft. The wording of this particular paragraph explaining how data gets used in accordance with the linked terms of service (which are the actual governing documents, not the page you’ve linked to) is not one.
- waynecochran 3y ago
  GitHub = MS, OpenAI = MS, so by transitivity OpenAI = GitHub (where = means "controlling or related interest"). I agree that the particular wording is not sufficient to specify much of anything, but does it sure doesn't shut the door on the possibility either.
  - halostatue 3y ago
    OpenAI is not a subsidiary of Microsoft. GitHub is. Unless you can meaningfully show that Microsoft is actively applying a subsidiary relationship (that is, where it directs OpenAI’s product direction), I have to disagree with your base notion. At this point, I reiterate that your original claim is 100% FUD and disinformation. I’m not asking you to trust GitHub or Microsoft, but legal terms have meaning and the terms do not support your assertions.
    - waynecochran 3y ago
      MS is a partner w OpenAI. https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2023/01/23/microsoftandopenaiextendpartnership/ https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2023/01/23/microsoftandopen...

halostatue 3y ago

OpenAI != GitHub even if GitHub has allowed training on public repositories (which I believe to be an absolute mistake because it should be preserving licensing on the processed repositories and we know that it is not doing so). There are many reasons to distrust Microsoft. The wording of this particular paragraph explaining how data gets used in accordance with the linked terms of service (which are the actual governing documents, not the page you’ve linked to) is not one.

waynecochran 3y ago
GitHub = MS, OpenAI = MS, so by transitivity OpenAI = GitHub (where = means "controlling or related interest"). I agree that the particular wording is not sufficient to specify much of anything, but does it sure doesn't shut the door on the possibility either.
- halostatue 3y ago
  OpenAI is not a subsidiary of Microsoft. GitHub is. Unless you can meaningfully show that Microsoft is actively applying a subsidiary relationship (that is, where it directs OpenAI’s product direction), I have to disagree with your base notion. At this point, I reiterate that your original claim is 100% FUD and disinformation. I’m not asking you to trust GitHub or Microsoft, but legal terms have meaning and the terms do not support your assertions.
  - waynecochran 3y ago
    MS is a partner w OpenAI. https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2023/01/23/microsoftandopenaiextendpartnership/ https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2023/01/23/microsoftandopen...