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Why make a product your audience doesn’t want? Some parents don’t want to explain homosexuality to their 5 year olds in a movie about children’s toys.

mynameisvlad 3y ago
Oh please. It was literally a passing moment. Something that no kid would have caught in between the actual things happening. Certainly not something that any kid-- who in general are curious not judgemental-- would have asked about after the movie. If anything, it's the bigoted parents who are gasping in shock and outrage at an extremely mundane scene. This is pearl clutching taken to the extreme.
- whatwhaaaaat 3y ago
  You can call it whatever you want but people will vote with their wallets. I have a rainbow star trek shirt on right now. I support the gay and lesbian community in anyway I can. I will not take my children to see these movies. There are simply too many other options that do not push this crap on me that I will choose instead. My kids have been at birthday parties with gay couples. Wanna know what questions they asked about it? None! Because they are children and have no concept of sexuality. The studios are pulling out all this forced crap as soon as the strike is over too so obviously someone somewhere is reading the writing on the wall. Parents have had enough of this crap and we’re not afraid to speak up.
  - mynameisvlad 3y ago
    > I have a rainbow star trek shirt on right now. I’m one of the good guys! I have gay friends! > I support the gay and lesbian community in anyway I can. Well, you know, as long as it isn’t the most trivial of inconveniences to you. Get over yourself and unclutch your pearls, Karen. Your kids aren’t going to be traumatized from seeing two men kiss in a passing scene and you’re not going to have to do your job and have the simplest conversation with your kids. “Sometimes a boy likes another boy, and that’s perfectly normal.” is not the end of the world, even if it comes up, which it realistically won’t. Stop pretending like it is. You say you support the community, but your actions show you clearly don’t. Not even remotely close. I hope you don’t consider yourself an ally, because you are far from it.
    - whatwhaaaaat 3y ago
      Yeah you are not the arbitrator on what constitutes support and this “all or nazi” approach you seem to think is working is actually causing harm. We’re not talking about “sometimes a boy likes a boy” as you put in such a ham fisted fashion. We’re talking about every single movie coming from Disney having this same crap in it. You do not get to decide what I think is appropriate for my children. End of story. I am not looking for your acceptance or affirmation. I am looking to raise strong healthy children. Judging by how my children interact with others I would say so far I am succeeding.
      - mynameisvlad 3y ago
        If seeing two men kiss in a movie is causing you this much grief, then you can’t with any semblance of a straight face say that you support me and my community. Your children are going to be just as strong and healthy seeing two men kiss and seeing gay, lesbian and trans folks and their relationships existing. You thinking otherwise while pretending to be an ally is disgusting. As someone who is gay, you can proceed to fuck right off with your pretend allyship. You should take off your shirt, you don’t deserve to wear it.
        whatwhaaaaat 3y ago
        So I have to let my children watch whatever one individual gay man thinks I should or I am disgusting? Fortunately I do have enough gay friends to know not everyone in the “community” responds so poorly to adverse conversation.
        mynameisvlad 3y ago
        > So I have to let my children watch whatever one individual gay man thinks I should or I am disgusting? Yeah, I totally said that. > You thinking otherwise while pretending to be an ally is disgusting. Next time, don't pretend to be an ally when you clearly aren't. I'd say have a good day, but I would rather you didn't.
      - 3y ago
  - beardicus 3y ago
    > other options that do not push this crap on me push what crap? the existence of gay people? why is it "pushing" something to more fully represent reality in our media? why should movies continue to pretend that gay people don't exist just because some parents refuse to teach their children about totally normal things?
    - whatwhaaaaat 3y ago
      I just don’t want my children sexualized. I see media that is constantly pushing sexual themes as doing that. I find arguments from the side trying to force that as disingenuous. This isn’t negotiable. They are my kids and I will raise them as I see appropriate.
  - TheCondor 3y ago
    Perhaps I missed something in the movie, what was pushed on anyone? I vaguely remember a scene with a character and her partner was revealed to be a woman but I don't remember any agenda or propaganda about it. What exactly was being pushed? Or was it the backstory about how the writers and animators wanted to include a same-sex element for years before?
    - whatwhaaaaat 3y ago
      A focus on sexual situations. Does one same sex kiss constitute that? No I wouldn’t say it does on its own but when it is a pattern from these organizations then parents are well within their rights to reject it. That companies are pushing these narratives is not secret and it is ok that these companies believe it to be more profitable to make these types of movies. It’s also ok for me to refuse to take my children to see them just like it’s ok that I do not allow them to watch YouTube or any other non curated video source. None of this is me trying to limit the rights of anyone except for my children of course. It’s not me calling for anything to be banned or to force my views on other parents. I’m simply saying I have had enough of these companies trying to push this culture war bullshit on my children and I do not care who in the world I anger by doing that. To do anything less would be a disservice to what I consider most sacred.
      - geraldwhen 3y ago
        It’s gotten to the point where I was worried the Mario movie might have sex/gender propaganda in it. Luckily it was just a kids movie. There are few “just kids movies” these days. Puss in boots was the last one previously.
      - jakelazaroff 3y ago
        > A focus on sexual situations. Does one same sex kiss constitute that? No I wouldn’t say it does on its own but when it is a pattern from these organizations then parents are well within their rights to reject it. Very curious how you've managed to avoid the pattern of movies that "focus on sexual situations" until recently. One of the most prominent tropes in children's media is a princess who needs to kiss or be kissed by a prince in order to resolve the plot!
snowwrestler 3y ago
Why make a product your audience doesn’t want? Some parents don’t want to explain heterosexuality to their 5 year olds in a movie about children’s toys.
cancerhacker 3y ago
And if the child sees two men kissing on the street?
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vlovich123 3y ago
Did your 5 yold ask you that question? Also, children ask all sorts of questions that are far more uncomfortable to answer than that. Why the handwringing over this?
gurumeditations 3y ago
Which of course brings up the whole process of eradicating homophobic hatred from straight society, which is accomplished by including these tiny things here and there so there is no questions or confusion; there just ‘is’, like with straight intimacy which is overwhelming and everywhere at all times.

mynameisvlad 3y ago

Oh please. It was literally a passing moment. Something that no kid would have caught in between the actual things happening. Certainly not something that any kid-- who in general are curious not judgemental-- would have asked about after the movie. If anything, it's the bigoted parents who are gasping in shock and outrage at an extremely mundane scene. This is pearl clutching taken to the extreme.

whatwhaaaaat 3y ago
You can call it whatever you want but people will vote with their wallets. I have a rainbow star trek shirt on right now. I support the gay and lesbian community in anyway I can. I will not take my children to see these movies. There are simply too many other options that do not push this crap on me that I will choose instead. My kids have been at birthday parties with gay couples. Wanna know what questions they asked about it? None! Because they are children and have no concept of sexuality. The studios are pulling out all this forced crap as soon as the strike is over too so obviously someone somewhere is reading the writing on the wall. Parents have had enough of this crap and we’re not afraid to speak up.
- mynameisvlad 3y ago
  > I have a rainbow star trek shirt on right now. I’m one of the good guys! I have gay friends! > I support the gay and lesbian community in anyway I can. Well, you know, as long as it isn’t the most trivial of inconveniences to you. Get over yourself and unclutch your pearls, Karen. Your kids aren’t going to be traumatized from seeing two men kiss in a passing scene and you’re not going to have to do your job and have the simplest conversation with your kids. “Sometimes a boy likes another boy, and that’s perfectly normal.” is not the end of the world, even if it comes up, which it realistically won’t. Stop pretending like it is. You say you support the community, but your actions show you clearly don’t. Not even remotely close. I hope you don’t consider yourself an ally, because you are far from it.
  - whatwhaaaaat 3y ago
    Yeah you are not the arbitrator on what constitutes support and this “all or nazi” approach you seem to think is working is actually causing harm. We’re not talking about “sometimes a boy likes a boy” as you put in such a ham fisted fashion. We’re talking about every single movie coming from Disney having this same crap in it. You do not get to decide what I think is appropriate for my children. End of story. I am not looking for your acceptance or affirmation. I am looking to raise strong healthy children. Judging by how my children interact with others I would say so far I am succeeding.
    - mynameisvlad 3y ago
      If seeing two men kiss in a movie is causing you this much grief, then you can’t with any semblance of a straight face say that you support me and my community. Your children are going to be just as strong and healthy seeing two men kiss and seeing gay, lesbian and trans folks and their relationships existing. You thinking otherwise while pretending to be an ally is disgusting. As someone who is gay, you can proceed to fuck right off with your pretend allyship. You should take off your shirt, you don’t deserve to wear it.
      - whatwhaaaaat 3y ago
        So I have to let my children watch whatever one individual gay man thinks I should or I am disgusting? Fortunately I do have enough gay friends to know not everyone in the “community” responds so poorly to adverse conversation.
        mynameisvlad 3y ago
        > So I have to let my children watch whatever one individual gay man thinks I should or I am disgusting? Yeah, I totally said that. > You thinking otherwise while pretending to be an ally is disgusting. Next time, don't pretend to be an ally when you clearly aren't. I'd say have a good day, but I would rather you didn't.
    - 3y ago
- beardicus 3y ago
  > other options that do not push this crap on me push what crap? the existence of gay people? why is it "pushing" something to more fully represent reality in our media? why should movies continue to pretend that gay people don't exist just because some parents refuse to teach their children about totally normal things?
  - whatwhaaaaat 3y ago
    I just don’t want my children sexualized. I see media that is constantly pushing sexual themes as doing that. I find arguments from the side trying to force that as disingenuous. This isn’t negotiable. They are my kids and I will raise them as I see appropriate.
- TheCondor 3y ago
  Perhaps I missed something in the movie, what was pushed on anyone? I vaguely remember a scene with a character and her partner was revealed to be a woman but I don't remember any agenda or propaganda about it. What exactly was being pushed? Or was it the backstory about how the writers and animators wanted to include a same-sex element for years before?
  - whatwhaaaaat 3y ago
    A focus on sexual situations. Does one same sex kiss constitute that? No I wouldn’t say it does on its own but when it is a pattern from these organizations then parents are well within their rights to reject it. That companies are pushing these narratives is not secret and it is ok that these companies believe it to be more profitable to make these types of movies. It’s also ok for me to refuse to take my children to see them just like it’s ok that I do not allow them to watch YouTube or any other non curated video source. None of this is me trying to limit the rights of anyone except for my children of course. It’s not me calling for anything to be banned or to force my views on other parents. I’m simply saying I have had enough of these companies trying to push this culture war bullshit on my children and I do not care who in the world I anger by doing that. To do anything less would be a disservice to what I consider most sacred.
    - geraldwhen 3y ago
      It’s gotten to the point where I was worried the Mario movie might have sex/gender propaganda in it. Luckily it was just a kids movie. There are few “just kids movies” these days. Puss in boots was the last one previously.
    - jakelazaroff 3y ago
      > A focus on sexual situations. Does one same sex kiss constitute that? No I wouldn’t say it does on its own but when it is a pattern from these organizations then parents are well within their rights to reject it. Very curious how you've managed to avoid the pattern of movies that "focus on sexual situations" until recently. One of the most prominent tropes in children's media is a princess who needs to kiss or be kissed by a prince in order to resolve the plot!

snowwrestler 3y ago

Why make a product your audience doesn’t want? Some parents don’t want to explain heterosexuality to their 5 year olds in a movie about children’s toys.

cancerhacker 3y ago

And if the child sees two men kissing on the street?

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vlovich123 3y ago

Did your 5 yold ask you that question? Also, children ask all sorts of questions that are far more uncomfortable to answer than that. Why the handwringing over this?

gurumeditations 3y ago

Which of course brings up the whole process of eradicating homophobic hatred from straight society, which is accomplished by including these tiny things here and there so there is no questions or confusion; there just ‘is’, like with straight intimacy which is overwhelming and everywhere at all times.