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This is the fox guarding the henhouse. Establishing a business model for OpenAI is his whole intent, nothing less and nothing more. He shapes the public image

by est31 3y ago

This is the fox guarding the henhouse. Establishing a business model for OpenAI is his whole intent, nothing less and nothing more. He shapes the public image of AI in a way that the only "safe" way of having AI is that it's controlled by megacorporations like MS, Google or Facebook, and that anyone running a model privately at home is a potential criminal. Also, in the unlikely case that OpenAI has given birth to a malevolent AI that is trying to take over the world right now, then that AI might come to the conclusion that one of the biggest threats to its existence aren't humans themselves, but other AI models created by humans. So "AI must be regulated" can just as well be the product of a rogue AI that doesn't want some other rogue AI to take over control.

idiotsecant 3y ago
Pine trees spread needles to suppress growth in the around them and keep nearby competitors from consuming their resources. Human governance structures and corporations do the same. No reason to think that a sufficiently complex AI would not do the same. We should apply the same principles to fight each of these tendencies and reject special treatment for big players in all it's forms.
- twobitshifter 3y ago
  Your comment made me imagine a scenario where Altman is secretly asking GPT-5 what to do next. As a result he goes out on this world tour to try to turn governments against alternative AIs.
- tivert 3y ago
  Your example is wrong: https://www.thespruce.com/do-pine-needles-acidify-soil-1403128 https://www.thespruce.com/do-pine-needles-acidify-soil-14031...: > When a myth dies hard, you can bet that it is either because people want to believe it (for example, when it makes their lives easier) or because there is a kernel of truth in it just big enough to make it convincing. The long-lived gardening myth that pine needles lower soil pH falls into the latter category. It is a twofold myth, erroneously claiming that pine needles should be used as a mulch only around acid-loving plants, and that they will acidify compost if added to a compost bin.... > Perhaps lending further credibility to the myth is that gardeners often observe that it is difficult to grow most plants under large pine trees. They attach an assumption to this observation: It must be that the pine needles shed by the tree cause the soil there to become acidic. However, this is a case of drawing an incorrect conclusion from the facts. The reasons most plants perform poorly when grown under large pine trees are that the trees cast too much shade, or the root system of the trees blankets the soil surface, forming a barrier and sucking up most of the available water and nutrients. A better example would be Black Walnut: https://extension.illinois.edu/blogs/ilriverhort/2018-08-06-plants-inhibit-other-plants https://extension.illinois.edu/blogs/ilriverhort/2018-08-06-...: > Black walnuts (Juglans nigra) are one of the best known allelopathic plants. Black walnut trees naturally contain a chemical called juglone which can inhibit the growth of some plants. Walnut buds, nut hulls, and roots contain the largest amount of juglone. However, even walnut leaves and stems contain a small concentration of juglone.
  - idiotsecant 3y ago
    I never said anything about soil pH. Pine needles are pretty acidic when they first drop but that goes away pretty quick. What i'm talking about is the biological perma-mulch that is the pine needle. Pine needles break down slowly and form an effective mulch layer that suppresses further growth. All you have to do to know that is true is to look under a pine tree and a deciduous tree of similar side and density and note the difference.

by est31 3y ago

idiotsecant 3y ago

Pine trees spread needles to suppress growth in the around them and keep nearby competitors from consuming their resources. Human governance structures and corporations do the same. No reason to think that a sufficiently complex AI would not do the same. We should apply the same principles to fight each of these tendencies and reject special treatment for big players in all it's forms.

twobitshifter 3y ago
Your comment made me imagine a scenario where Altman is secretly asking GPT-5 what to do next. As a result he goes out on this world tour to try to turn governments against alternative AIs.
tivert 3y ago
Your example is wrong: https://www.thespruce.com/do-pine-needles-acidify-soil-1403128 https://www.thespruce.com/do-pine-needles-acidify-soil-14031...: > When a myth dies hard, you can bet that it is either because people want to believe it (for example, when it makes their lives easier) or because there is a kernel of truth in it just big enough to make it convincing. The long-lived gardening myth that pine needles lower soil pH falls into the latter category. It is a twofold myth, erroneously claiming that pine needles should be used as a mulch only around acid-loving plants, and that they will acidify compost if added to a compost bin.... > Perhaps lending further credibility to the myth is that gardeners often observe that it is difficult to grow most plants under large pine trees. They attach an assumption to this observation: It must be that the pine needles shed by the tree cause the soil there to become acidic. However, this is a case of drawing an incorrect conclusion from the facts. The reasons most plants perform poorly when grown under large pine trees are that the trees cast too much shade, or the root system of the trees blankets the soil surface, forming a barrier and sucking up most of the available water and nutrients. A better example would be Black Walnut: https://extension.illinois.edu/blogs/ilriverhort/2018-08-06-plants-inhibit-other-plants https://extension.illinois.edu/blogs/ilriverhort/2018-08-06-...: > Black walnuts (Juglans nigra) are one of the best known allelopathic plants. Black walnut trees naturally contain a chemical called juglone which can inhibit the growth of some plants. Walnut buds, nut hulls, and roots contain the largest amount of juglone. However, even walnut leaves and stems contain a small concentration of juglone.
- idiotsecant 3y ago
  I never said anything about soil pH. Pine needles are pretty acidic when they first drop but that goes away pretty quick. What i'm talking about is the biological perma-mulch that is the pine needle. Pine needles break down slowly and form an effective mulch layer that suppresses further growth. All you have to do to know that is true is to look under a pine tree and a deciduous tree of similar side and density and note the difference.