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If we side with Ukraine then let's end this as quickly and decisively as possible. And how exactly are you going to achieve that? The thing about war is that y

If we side with Ukraine then let's end this as quickly and decisively as possible. And how exactly are you going to achieve that? The thing about war is that you can’t just decide to win, you actually have to do it. Stretching this out to years of gradual escalation This gradual escalation is at least as much to the “benefit” of Western audiences as it is to Russia. Just imagine telling people (Germans in particular) about German tanks in Ukraine against Russia at the beginning of 2022… Another psyop targeting Western audiences: the notion that Russia is losing[0], can’t or won’t retaliate, even that its strategic nuclear weapons won’t work, and in any case “MAD” will protect us. All these things are very wrong, no matter how mad that makes people here and elsewhere. [0]: Open your favourite satellite image service, visit an Ukrainian city, count the fresh graves, do the math. Kharkov alone easily has 13k KIAs buried or whatever’s the official count. Meanwhile: https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2023/04/14/bbc-news-russian-and-mediazona-confirm-over-20000-russian-soldiers-dead-in-ukraine-war-en-news https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2023/04/14/bbc-news-russian... I‘d say it’s something like 50k total but point is: not even close to what Ukraine has lost. And even if it were, that’s not how you win an existential conflict against a country five times your size. Finally, I don’t agree with everything but here‘s Mearsheimer with a good overview of the situation: https://youtu.be/v-rHBRwdql8?t=385 https://youtu.be/v-rHBRwdql8?t=385

notahacker 3y ago
Nice of the Russians to support the "Western psyop" by loudly infighting over the losses suffered and struggles to hold the only bit of territory they've managed to capture since their latest conscription waves, following the mass retreats of the autumn, presumably because their numerical advantage left them without any Ukranians to shoot at.
- rainworld 3y ago
  Nice of the Russians to support the "Western psyop" Yes, but unironically. Decisions Were Made after the US and UK attacked (via Ukraine but fooling nobody) sites of Russia’s strategic nuclear forces at the beginning of December last year.[0][1] They got an immediate answer[2], and a couple more such messages later on, but what the Russians would have realized then (if not earlier) is that you most likely cannot reason with the ruling elites of the dying empire and its rabid little attack Beagle. Let’s hope they find a way still. following the mass retreats of the autumn Every drug peddler knows: Getting high on your own supply is the most dangerous thing. numerical advantage left them without any Ukranians to shoot at. Pretty bad taste, in light of the footage coming in from Zaporozhye rn. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyagilevo_and_Engels_air_bases_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyagilevo_and_Engels_air_bases... [1]: Russia’s nuclear doctrine allows a nuclear response in such a case, for good reason. [2]: Just lol if you think this was an accident: https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/05/22/b-2-stealth-bombers-flying-again-air-force-still-mum-reason-grounding.html https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/05/22/b-2-stealth-b...
  - notahacker 3y ago
    > Every drug peddler knows: Getting high on your own supply is the most dangerous thing. Well at least one thing you said was true. Say what you like about the Russian propaganda, it's a whole lot less deluded than the people that think it's insufficiently clear about how Russia was only defending itself and how well their military is performing.
    - rainworld 3y ago
      Man, it’s like Mac vs. Windows all over again. Except you can count the bodies. If you dare.
      - notahacker 3y ago
        I dunno, stanning for Russian performance in this war at this stage feels a bit more like the contrarian holdout insisting that both Mac and Windows fans are wrong and GUIs will never catch on :) Cute that you've gone from Ukraine's capitulation within weeks being inevitable to pretending to count bodies though.
        rainworld 3y ago
        I’d tread carefully on a day where I’ve burned half a brigade in a fruitless, hare-brained probing/screening effort. But then, treading carefully isn’t something Ukies (and the fandom) are generally known for exactly. Cute that you've gone from Ukraine's capitulation within weeks Have I? (Remember: “Kiew within 72 hours” were Gen. Milley’s words.) But let’s assume I did; it certainly would have been the prudent thing to do for them. Must have underestimated their ability to waste hundreds of men day after day after day and just pretend it wasn’t so. And the willingness of Western media to carry their water. And, in fact, the sheer magnitude and shamelessness of the whole propaganda effort. War is peace, baby. And anyway, as Borrell (just recently), Austin and others have observed, the Ukrainian effort would collapse within days if Western were to end. Another one of those facts pro-Ukies just love to ignore. pretending to count bodies It’s very easy to become an authority on Ukrainian losses in the West because you’re pretty much the only one showing up for the job. Half a dozen guys, tops. Truly the least interesting question conceivable by man. I understand that you, as a Brit, are congenitally bound to hate Russia and to desire to stir the European pot but remember: there’s nukes in the mix this time. Should be glad that Russia isn’t in fact losing.

notahacker 3y ago

Nice of the Russians to support the "Western psyop" by loudly infighting over the losses suffered and struggles to hold the only bit of territory they've managed to capture since their latest conscription waves, following the mass retreats of the autumn, presumably because their numerical advantage left them without any Ukranians to shoot at.

rainworld 3y ago
Nice of the Russians to support the "Western psyop" Yes, but unironically. Decisions Were Made after the US and UK attacked (via Ukraine but fooling nobody) sites of Russia’s strategic nuclear forces at the beginning of December last year.[0][1] They got an immediate answer[2], and a couple more such messages later on, but what the Russians would have realized then (if not earlier) is that you most likely cannot reason with the ruling elites of the dying empire and its rabid little attack Beagle. Let’s hope they find a way still. following the mass retreats of the autumn Every drug peddler knows: Getting high on your own supply is the most dangerous thing. numerical advantage left them without any Ukranians to shoot at. Pretty bad taste, in light of the footage coming in from Zaporozhye rn. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyagilevo_and_Engels_air_bases_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyagilevo_and_Engels_air_bases... [1]: Russia’s nuclear doctrine allows a nuclear response in such a case, for good reason. [2]: Just lol if you think this was an accident: https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/05/22/b-2-stealth-bombers-flying-again-air-force-still-mum-reason-grounding.html https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/05/22/b-2-stealth-b...
- notahacker 3y ago
  > Every drug peddler knows: Getting high on your own supply is the most dangerous thing. Well at least one thing you said was true. Say what you like about the Russian propaganda, it's a whole lot less deluded than the people that think it's insufficiently clear about how Russia was only defending itself and how well their military is performing.
  - rainworld 3y ago
    Man, it’s like Mac vs. Windows all over again. Except you can count the bodies. If you dare.
    - notahacker 3y ago
      I dunno, stanning for Russian performance in this war at this stage feels a bit more like the contrarian holdout insisting that both Mac and Windows fans are wrong and GUIs will never catch on :) Cute that you've gone from Ukraine's capitulation within weeks being inevitable to pretending to count bodies though.
      - rainworld 3y ago
        I’d tread carefully on a day where I’ve burned half a brigade in a fruitless, hare-brained probing/screening effort. But then, treading carefully isn’t something Ukies (and the fandom) are generally known for exactly. Cute that you've gone from Ukraine's capitulation within weeks Have I? (Remember: “Kiew within 72 hours” were Gen. Milley’s words.) But let’s assume I did; it certainly would have been the prudent thing to do for them. Must have underestimated their ability to waste hundreds of men day after day after day and just pretend it wasn’t so. And the willingness of Western media to carry their water. And, in fact, the sheer magnitude and shamelessness of the whole propaganda effort. War is peace, baby. And anyway, as Borrell (just recently), Austin and others have observed, the Ukrainian effort would collapse within days if Western were to end. Another one of those facts pro-Ukies just love to ignore. pretending to count bodies It’s very easy to become an authority on Ukrainian losses in the West because you’re pretty much the only one showing up for the job. Half a dozen guys, tops. Truly the least interesting question conceivable by man. I understand that you, as a Brit, are congenitally bound to hate Russia and to desire to stir the European pot but remember: there’s nukes in the mix this time. Should be glad that Russia isn’t in fact losing.