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I really hope one of the bigger third party apps finds a way to just point their front end to a reddit clone and eat reddits lunch.

by dsm4ck 3y ago

jacooper 3y ago
I keep hearing this, but how many of reddit users actually use third party apps? If Twitter proved anything, its that its really hard to kill a popular social media network, no matter how badly managed or drama filled it is.
- miroljub 3y ago
  Twitter is not badly managed. It managed to grow to the point of being indispensable, and drama is just one of the reasons why it keeps being popular.
  - dopamean 3y ago
    idk losing 59% of ad revenue feels a bit mismanaged.
  - digging 3y ago
    Twitter is badly managed by almost any metric - are you referring to its management pre-acquisition?
    - rsynnott 3y ago
      I mean, even before acquisition it’d be hard to credibly claim it was well-run. In comparison to now, sure, but that’s the lowest of bars.
    - miroljub 3y ago
      Both. I can't imagine a company being so successful and so influential being badly run. Of course, if someone uses a moral, ethics, or personal political and societal view to judge if a company is well run, then I agree it may appear to many people that Twitter is badly run. But if we take a company valuation and consider the time it took it to achieve it, it's certainly one of the best run companies.
      - digging 3y ago
        > I can't imagine a company being so successful and so influential being badly run. I'd argue this is a failure of imagination more than an endorsement of Twitter. Twitter has inertia - it's going to keep going until it literally can't, and that doesn't mean it's been run well. It's been chaotic there since acquisition, with major policies being changed on a whim and then retracted and whole functions of the company disappearing entirely or almost entirely. Major news outlets are dropping their twitter presence, and stocks have dropped - if you define that as "good" management, what would bad management even look like?
- djbusby 3y ago
  Some subs are posting metrics for this. The few I've seen show the largest slice is 3PA.
- dvngnt_ 3y ago
  you don't have to kill a popular social media network, you just need enough people to leave to an alternative to make them viable all together the 3rd party app users and res users consist of millions of the most dedicated tech savvy users that will switch. myspace and digg technically exist but they're no longer relevant. Reddit is moving in the same direction Lemmy/kbin is more popular than it has even been and the main lemmy instance is overloaded. July when the actual apps shut down we'll see a huge migration to the fediverse
  - jacooper 3y ago
    That's what killing a social media is, people leaving. Which is realistically not going to happen. The average user doesnt care, yeah reddit is geeky but all they want is money.
- thomastjeffery 3y ago
  A lot of people use third-party apps. Reddit's app has terrible UI/UX, as does the website redesign (new.reddit.com, which is the default www.reddit.com). The only good UI/UX is old.reddit.com, which isn't very good on mobile.
  - nbar1 3y ago
    > A lot of people use third-party apps. Where do you get this information from? And what is "a lot"? I'd wager 99% of Reddit users (therefor, income) use the official reddit app and new website.
    - WaffleIronMaker 3y ago
      Yes! I think the difference is between people who use Reddit as a feed versus a forum. For a Hacker News audience seeking to engage with forum-like content, the new redesigns clearly do not fit their needs. However, to a general audience seeking to find a feed of content and interesting comment sections, the new redesigns are much more palatable.
      - thomastjeffery 3y ago
        That difference is important, because it's the first group that actually makes content. Without those users, there is no platform.
        nbar1 3y ago
        That's plainly false, and there is no data to back up your claim.
        thomastjeffery 3y ago
        What? The evidence is literally what we are talking about!
- Gareth321 3y ago
  I believe the estimate is 18-20%. This is roughly 86 billion monthly active users. More than enough to populate an active community. I hazard to guess that third party app users are also more active.
- ananth99 3y ago
  I moved from Reddit's official App to Apollo about 2 months ago because of huge battery drain and haven't looked back since.
  - jacooper 3y ago
    Well, soon enough you will have to lock back, and go back.
shmatt 3y ago
or you know, just ask people to pay $2.50/month to cover their share? I have a weird feeling this is exactly what the Apollo dev will be doing. In order to charge everyone a monthly fee, they need to shut down Apollo and create a new app
moneywoes 3y ago
Isn’t it 80-20 rule? If the content creators don’t post there they won’t have engagement

I really hope one of the bigger third party apps finds a way to just point their front end to a reddit clone and eat reddits lunch.

by dsm4ck 3y ago

I really hope one of the bigger third party apps finds a way to just point their front end to a reddit clone and eat reddits lunch.

jacooper 3y ago

I keep hearing this, but how many of reddit users actually use third party apps? If Twitter proved anything, its that its really hard to kill a popular social media network, no matter how badly managed or drama filled it is.

miroljub 3y ago
Twitter is not badly managed. It managed to grow to the point of being indispensable, and drama is just one of the reasons why it keeps being popular.
- dopamean 3y ago
  idk losing 59% of ad revenue feels a bit mismanaged.
- digging 3y ago
  Twitter is badly managed by almost any metric - are you referring to its management pre-acquisition?
  - rsynnott 3y ago
    I mean, even before acquisition it’d be hard to credibly claim it was well-run. In comparison to now, sure, but that’s the lowest of bars.
  - miroljub 3y ago
    Both. I can't imagine a company being so successful and so influential being badly run. Of course, if someone uses a moral, ethics, or personal political and societal view to judge if a company is well run, then I agree it may appear to many people that Twitter is badly run. But if we take a company valuation and consider the time it took it to achieve it, it's certainly one of the best run companies.
    - digging 3y ago
      > I can't imagine a company being so successful and so influential being badly run. I'd argue this is a failure of imagination more than an endorsement of Twitter. Twitter has inertia - it's going to keep going until it literally can't, and that doesn't mean it's been run well. It's been chaotic there since acquisition, with major policies being changed on a whim and then retracted and whole functions of the company disappearing entirely or almost entirely. Major news outlets are dropping their twitter presence, and stocks have dropped - if you define that as "good" management, what would bad management even look like?
djbusby 3y ago
Some subs are posting metrics for this. The few I've seen show the largest slice is 3PA.
dvngnt_ 3y ago
you don't have to kill a popular social media network, you just need enough people to leave to an alternative to make them viable all together the 3rd party app users and res users consist of millions of the most dedicated tech savvy users that will switch. myspace and digg technically exist but they're no longer relevant. Reddit is moving in the same direction Lemmy/kbin is more popular than it has even been and the main lemmy instance is overloaded. July when the actual apps shut down we'll see a huge migration to the fediverse
- jacooper 3y ago
  That's what killing a social media is, people leaving. Which is realistically not going to happen. The average user doesnt care, yeah reddit is geeky but all they want is money.
thomastjeffery 3y ago
A lot of people use third-party apps. Reddit's app has terrible UI/UX, as does the website redesign (new.reddit.com, which is the default www.reddit.com). The only good UI/UX is old.reddit.com, which isn't very good on mobile.
- nbar1 3y ago
  > A lot of people use third-party apps. Where do you get this information from? And what is "a lot"? I'd wager 99% of Reddit users (therefor, income) use the official reddit app and new website.
  - WaffleIronMaker 3y ago
    Yes! I think the difference is between people who use Reddit as a feed versus a forum. For a Hacker News audience seeking to engage with forum-like content, the new redesigns clearly do not fit their needs. However, to a general audience seeking to find a feed of content and interesting comment sections, the new redesigns are much more palatable.
    - thomastjeffery 3y ago
      That difference is important, because it's the first group that actually makes content. Without those users, there is no platform.
      - nbar1 3y ago
        That's plainly false, and there is no data to back up your claim.
        thomastjeffery 3y ago
        What? The evidence is literally what we are talking about!
Gareth321 3y ago
I believe the estimate is 18-20%. This is roughly 86 billion monthly active users. More than enough to populate an active community. I hazard to guess that third party app users are also more active.
ananth99 3y ago
I moved from Reddit's official App to Apollo about 2 months ago because of huge battery drain and haven't looked back since.
- jacooper 3y ago
  Well, soon enough you will have to lock back, and go back.

shmatt 3y ago

or you know, just ask people to pay $2.50/month to cover their share? I have a weird feeling this is exactly what the Apollo dev will be doing. In order to charge everyone a monthly fee, they need to shut down Apollo and create a new app

moneywoes 3y ago

Isn’t it 80-20 rule? If the content creators don’t post there they won’t have engagement