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They tried that with Rogan and it didn't go well. Ironically, I don't think the problem was their plan, I think it was that the people that work at Spotify hate

They tried that with Rogan and it didn't go well. Ironically, I don't think the problem was their plan, I think it was that the people that work at Spotify hate people like Rogan and don't want to see him do well. A few execs obviously believe in his content, but the vast majority of Spotify employees I've talked to see him as a dangerous anti-vax transphobe.

nerdawson 3y ago
What leads you to believe it didn't go well? I rarely watch it since the move away from YouTube but as far as I'm aware they haven't released numbers.
- toyg 3y ago
  Anecdoctical, but Rogan seems way less relevant now he's locked in the Spotify walled garden. It could well be that it's just him running out of steam; the whole galaxy he's effectively part of, has significantly fallen in popularity since the Capitol riot.
  - kcplate 3y ago
    IMO probably more related to pandemic wind down than the Jan 6 stuff. His podcast has always been pretty eclectic and has siloed audiences based on the topics. During the pandemic he had a lot of notoriety and relevance because he would platform opinion contrary to the establishment governmental health authorities. To a large degree because of the mis/disinformation guidelines on social media sites, his podcast was the only place a lot of that information could be found and his show gained popularity with a new silo of listeners. He achieved a lot of relevance from that group…and the media because of it, which was hellbent on attempting to “correct” his allegedly dangerous opinions.
wahnfrieden 3y ago
so what? companies run on command and control, as much as they try to soften that image. how did the employees hating the product affect their work? I agree work can be better with passionate and invested workers doing it, but workers disinterest or disdain for the product of their work is the norm when they have essentially no ownership over it. they're not a bunch of children who will spin the hamster wheel faster for their boss when it's hillary clinton on their work by essentially no ownership what I mean is that the amount of ownership granted to workers via equity is negotiated as part of overall compensation in wage labor market (market means it's as low as each company can competitively get away with, so just saying the share exists does not mean it's of the same class), the majority ownership is elsewhere and there are a lot of non-workers who need to get rich off their work. commenting that ESOPs give workers and their owners the same sense of stakeholder ownership is as interesting as saying america has a universally flat ownership class structure because everyone can buy a share on the market
- piva00 3y ago
  Employees are shareholders, so there's ownership.
secondcoming 3y ago
Maybe employees think that’s the right answer to give whether they believe it or not?

nerdawson 3y ago

What leads you to believe it didn't go well? I rarely watch it since the move away from YouTube but as far as I'm aware they haven't released numbers.

toyg 3y ago
Anecdoctical, but Rogan seems way less relevant now he's locked in the Spotify walled garden. It could well be that it's just him running out of steam; the whole galaxy he's effectively part of, has significantly fallen in popularity since the Capitol riot.
- kcplate 3y ago
  IMO probably more related to pandemic wind down than the Jan 6 stuff. His podcast has always been pretty eclectic and has siloed audiences based on the topics. During the pandemic he had a lot of notoriety and relevance because he would platform opinion contrary to the establishment governmental health authorities. To a large degree because of the mis/disinformation guidelines on social media sites, his podcast was the only place a lot of that information could be found and his show gained popularity with a new silo of listeners. He achieved a lot of relevance from that group…and the media because of it, which was hellbent on attempting to “correct” his allegedly dangerous opinions.

wahnfrieden 3y ago

so what? companies run on command and control, as much as they try to soften that image. how did the employees hating the product affect their work? I agree work can be better with passionate and invested workers doing it, but workers disinterest or disdain for the product of their work is the norm when they have essentially no ownership over it. they're not a bunch of children who will spin the hamster wheel faster for their boss when it's hillary clinton on their work by essentially no ownership what I mean is that the amount of ownership granted to workers via equity is negotiated as part of overall compensation in wage labor market (market means it's as low as each company can competitively get away with, so just saying the share exists does not mean it's of the same class), the majority ownership is elsewhere and there are a lot of non-workers who need to get rich off their work. commenting that ESOPs give workers and their owners the same sense of stakeholder ownership is as interesting as saying america has a universally flat ownership class structure because everyone can buy a share on the market

piva00 3y ago
Employees are shareholders, so there's ownership.

secondcoming 3y ago

Maybe employees think that’s the right answer to give whether they believe it or not?