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Was it wrong? As I understand, South Asian immigration to the UK has increased since Brexit.

by DC-3 3y ago

paxys 3y ago
Yes it was wrong, and the article being discussed points out exactly why.
Aromasin 3y ago
See quote from article: > ... Since the Brexit vote and the subsequent collapse of the pound, independent food outlets of all kinds have been hurt by rises in rents, rates and food prices. Meanwhile, in families that run curry houses younger generations have moved away from catering to more lucrative jobs in medicine or tech. So long as there was a ready supply of new onion choppers from Asia, the exodus of upwardly mobile offspring did not affect curry houses too much. The real blow came when a harsh new politics of immigration came in, which made it harder for skilled south Asian chefs to work in the country, just as the wider British public were changing the ways in which they consumed curry... > ... It is now dawning that under Theresa May’s government, the prospect of more Bangladeshi chefs being granted work visas is more distant than ever. A law that came into effect in April 2016 states that a skilled chef from south Asia must earn £35,000 or more a year, after deductions for accommodation and meals, to come work in a British restaurant that also offers a takeaway service. (The figure is only slightly lower for restaurants without takeaways.) Lord Bilimoria, the entrepreneur behind Cobra beer, is part of an all-party parliamentary group lobbying to reverse the law, which he calls “ridiculous” and “discriminatory”. No ordinary curry chef earns £35,000 (the industry average is £22-25,000 but the cooks who marinate lamb chops and mix raita get less)... In short, while axing immigration from the EU we also made it impossible for any working class migrant outside the EU to cross our borders. I'm sure all these worker shortages in agriculture/industry/hospitality/services/healthcare/construction are doing wonders for our nations' economic growth...
- DC-3 3y ago
  This article is six years old, published only a year after the Brexit vote. Since then non-EU migration has risen dramatically; now outnumbering immigration from inside the EU by a ratio of about 8:1. Student visas provide an entryway to hundreds of thousands without the need to satisfy income requirements. I suspect that if there is a challenge facing curryhouses it is not immigration. Maybe a more atomised society which prefers deliveroo to eating out on the cheap and regular is more to blame.
  - n4r9 3y ago
    Non-EU migration has gone up, but that's a very broad stroke to apply. In my experience there has been a marked increase in the number of South Asian tech workers. Potentially the UK is in fact skimming skilled labour from countries that could really use some domestic development. It's worth noting that: * A great majority of the increase in work visas comes from African rather than South Asian countries * Long-term work visas are generally given for ICT or "skilled" work * "Skilled" work has a salary floor of around £26k * A curry chef's salary averages around £25k Sources: * https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-december-2022/why-do-people-come-to-the-uk-to-work https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-... * https://www.gov.uk/skilled-worker-visa https://www.gov.uk/skilled-worker-visa * https://www.checkasalary.co.uk/salary/curry-chef-england https://www.checkasalary.co.uk/salary/curry-chef-england * https://www.statista.com/statistics/1241587/indian-population-in-united-kingdom/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1241587/indian-populatio...
    - rhaway84773 3y ago
      And either way the lede is being buried here. The Brexit leaders were just going around lying and telling everyone what they wanted to hear. The broader public was being told immigration would be reduced (now that’s not happening, they’re trying to shift the focus to “small boats” but polls are showing that’s clearly not working). Curry shop owners were told it would increase immigration to the people they wanted. But the only reason we know this because it’s an in depth article about curry shops. So we found this out coincidentally. It’s likely that there’s a whole bunch of other industries that were also told XYZ type of immigration would be increased even if overall immigration was decreased. As it turns out, the majority of those claims will turn out to be lies, and the ones that are true are coincidentally true. This is the fundamental scam underlying Brexit. There was no plan and as a result everyone was being told whatever they wanted would be delivered through Brexit.
  - boomskats 3y ago
    Typically a comment like yours would include a couple of external references that back up the claims you're making. Without them that's just like your opinion, man.
wrp 3y ago
It would be helpful here to have an explanation of how this story fits with the actual increase of immigration since Brexit.

Was it wrong? As I understand, South Asian immigration to the UK has increased since Brexit.

by DC-3 3y ago

Was it wrong? As I understand, South Asian immigration to the UK has increased since Brexit.

paxys 3y ago

Yes it was wrong, and the article being discussed points out exactly why.

Aromasin 3y ago

See quote from article: > ... Since the Brexit vote and the subsequent collapse of the pound, independent food outlets of all kinds have been hurt by rises in rents, rates and food prices. Meanwhile, in families that run curry houses younger generations have moved away from catering to more lucrative jobs in medicine or tech. So long as there was a ready supply of new onion choppers from Asia, the exodus of upwardly mobile offspring did not affect curry houses too much. The real blow came when a harsh new politics of immigration came in, which made it harder for skilled south Asian chefs to work in the country, just as the wider British public were changing the ways in which they consumed curry... > ... It is now dawning that under Theresa May’s government, the prospect of more Bangladeshi chefs being granted work visas is more distant than ever. A law that came into effect in April 2016 states that a skilled chef from south Asia must earn £35,000 or more a year, after deductions for accommodation and meals, to come work in a British restaurant that also offers a takeaway service. (The figure is only slightly lower for restaurants without takeaways.) Lord Bilimoria, the entrepreneur behind Cobra beer, is part of an all-party parliamentary group lobbying to reverse the law, which he calls “ridiculous” and “discriminatory”. No ordinary curry chef earns £35,000 (the industry average is £22-25,000 but the cooks who marinate lamb chops and mix raita get less)... In short, while axing immigration from the EU we also made it impossible for any working class migrant outside the EU to cross our borders. I'm sure all these worker shortages in agriculture/industry/hospitality/services/healthcare/construction are doing wonders for our nations' economic growth...

DC-3 3y ago
This article is six years old, published only a year after the Brexit vote. Since then non-EU migration has risen dramatically; now outnumbering immigration from inside the EU by a ratio of about 8:1. Student visas provide an entryway to hundreds of thousands without the need to satisfy income requirements. I suspect that if there is a challenge facing curryhouses it is not immigration. Maybe a more atomised society which prefers deliveroo to eating out on the cheap and regular is more to blame.
- n4r9 3y ago
  Non-EU migration has gone up, but that's a very broad stroke to apply. In my experience there has been a marked increase in the number of South Asian tech workers. Potentially the UK is in fact skimming skilled labour from countries that could really use some domestic development. It's worth noting that: * A great majority of the increase in work visas comes from African rather than South Asian countries * Long-term work visas are generally given for ICT or "skilled" work * "Skilled" work has a salary floor of around £26k * A curry chef's salary averages around £25k Sources: * https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-december-2022/why-do-people-come-to-the-uk-to-work https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-... * https://www.gov.uk/skilled-worker-visa https://www.gov.uk/skilled-worker-visa * https://www.checkasalary.co.uk/salary/curry-chef-england https://www.checkasalary.co.uk/salary/curry-chef-england * https://www.statista.com/statistics/1241587/indian-population-in-united-kingdom/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1241587/indian-populatio...
  - rhaway84773 3y ago
    And either way the lede is being buried here. The Brexit leaders were just going around lying and telling everyone what they wanted to hear. The broader public was being told immigration would be reduced (now that’s not happening, they’re trying to shift the focus to “small boats” but polls are showing that’s clearly not working). Curry shop owners were told it would increase immigration to the people they wanted. But the only reason we know this because it’s an in depth article about curry shops. So we found this out coincidentally. It’s likely that there’s a whole bunch of other industries that were also told XYZ type of immigration would be increased even if overall immigration was decreased. As it turns out, the majority of those claims will turn out to be lies, and the ones that are true are coincidentally true. This is the fundamental scam underlying Brexit. There was no plan and as a result everyone was being told whatever they wanted would be delivered through Brexit.
- boomskats 3y ago
  Typically a comment like yours would include a couple of external references that back up the claims you're making. Without them that's just like your opinion, man.

wrp 3y ago

It would be helpful here to have an explanation of how this story fits with the actual increase of immigration since Brexit.