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cpanel->PHPBB fast install One does not simply: Ban self hosters

by quickthrower2 3y ago

SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
Can cancel culture remove a forum? There are a few examples of yes.
- vkou 3y ago
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  - busterarm 3y ago
    Even strongly antifascist[1] forums like ResetEra have famously canceled themselves and purged significant parts of their own community at times. [1]: Largely accidentally, as they earn it through being the most "pearl-clutching"-iest community on the internet.
  - safety1st 3y ago
    This is a harmful misunderstanding and mischaracterization of the phenomenon. Ordinary people are far more likely to get canceled than fascists because the cancelers don't hang out on fascist forums. They go after people who have slightly less "pure" opinions than their own in the regular communities they participate in. A classic example is the implosion of the knitting community - https://unherd.com/2020/01/cast-out-how-knitting-fell-into-a-purity-spiral/ https://unherd.com/2020/01/cast-out-how-knitting-fell-into-a... This problem predates the Internet and is a strong argument against mob violence as a form of protest. For example race riots in the US invariably occur in low income black neighborhoods, and the result is a bunch of black businesses get looted and destroyed. The mob is not capable of going to where the elite are and doing real damage to them so instead they trash their own neighbors and perpetuate the cycle of oppression. Similarly the cancelers tend to participate in communities that largely share their views and then destroy those communities over minor affronts.
    - vkou 3y ago
      No, yours is the mischaracterized take. The context in which the GP was speaking was running a forum. I've responded to it. You've responded by going on tangents about personal blowback for personal activities and, strangely enough, protests. That's not the threat vector that people trying to self-host forums tend to face - and even when it is, it's not that different from regular, run-of-the-mill mill stalking/and/or/harassment/chan-board-brigading/sub-brigading that anyone running any forum, self-hosted or not has to deal with.
- qup 3y ago
  Sure, but not simply.
srgpqt 3y ago
This situation looks like the perfect opportunity for sandstorm.io to gain some traction as an easy way to self-host chat and forums.
Dalewyn 3y ago
As someone who administered several websites and forums with friends in the 00s: This. Buy some web server space and host your community yourselves. The majority of communities centralizing into Reddit, Discord, Facebook, et al. has been a mistake and is a stupid textbook lesson of why the internet was designed as a distributed network.

cpanel->PHPBB fast install One does not simply: Ban self hosters

SV_BubbleTime 3y ago

Can cancel culture remove a forum? There are a few examples of yes.

vkou 3y ago
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- busterarm 3y ago
  Even strongly antifascist[1] forums like ResetEra have famously canceled themselves and purged significant parts of their own community at times. [1]: Largely accidentally, as they earn it through being the most "pearl-clutching"-iest community on the internet.
- safety1st 3y ago
  This is a harmful misunderstanding and mischaracterization of the phenomenon. Ordinary people are far more likely to get canceled than fascists because the cancelers don't hang out on fascist forums. They go after people who have slightly less "pure" opinions than their own in the regular communities they participate in. A classic example is the implosion of the knitting community - https://unherd.com/2020/01/cast-out-how-knitting-fell-into-a-purity-spiral/ https://unherd.com/2020/01/cast-out-how-knitting-fell-into-a... This problem predates the Internet and is a strong argument against mob violence as a form of protest. For example race riots in the US invariably occur in low income black neighborhoods, and the result is a bunch of black businesses get looted and destroyed. The mob is not capable of going to where the elite are and doing real damage to them so instead they trash their own neighbors and perpetuate the cycle of oppression. Similarly the cancelers tend to participate in communities that largely share their views and then destroy those communities over minor affronts.
  - vkou 3y ago
    No, yours is the mischaracterized take. The context in which the GP was speaking was running a forum. I've responded to it. You've responded by going on tangents about personal blowback for personal activities and, strangely enough, protests. That's not the threat vector that people trying to self-host forums tend to face - and even when it is, it's not that different from regular, run-of-the-mill mill stalking/and/or/harassment/chan-board-brigading/sub-brigading that anyone running any forum, self-hosted or not has to deal with.
qup 3y ago
Sure, but not simply.

srgpqt 3y ago

This situation looks like the perfect opportunity for sandstorm.io to gain some traction as an easy way to self-host chat and forums.

Dalewyn 3y ago

As someone who administered several websites and forums with friends in the 00s: This. Buy some web server space and host your community yourselves. The majority of communities centralizing into Reddit, Discord, Facebook, et al. has been a mistake and is a stupid textbook lesson of why the internet was designed as a distributed network.