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Except you wouldn't build it like that. Even "on the spot" production will still significant hydrogen storage and distribution. It's not like you can place a gi

by _hypx 3y ago

Except you wouldn't build it like that. Even "on the spot" production will still significant hydrogen storage and distribution. It's not like you can place a giant tank right next to each piece of machinery. This are still going to be miles of piping. And it is cheaper to move hydrogen than electricity. People have an inverted understanding of the problem.

Turskarama 3y ago
Miles of piping is still less than hundreds of miles of piping. > And it is cheaper to move hydrogen than electricity Citation needed. Probably true across oceans, overland I'm doubtful.
- _hypx 3y ago
  https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2589004221014668 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S258900422... It is far cheaper to move fuel via pipelines than electrical wires. Your entire argument is just based on BEV propaganda. It is going to be systematically cheaper to go with hydrogen infrastructure than an all-electricity solution.
  - Turskarama 3y ago
    That's bulk transmission, not distribution.
    - _hypx 3y ago
      The same rules apply for smaller pipelines. It's highly likely that it is cheaper to build hydrogen stations fed by pipelines than high-power cables for DC fast charging. Trucks can work as last-mile distribution too. This is not nearly as big as a problem as critics think, since those trucks only move short distances.
      - Turskarama 3y ago
        Well then, I encourage you to rip out all the copper cables from your house and replace them with hydrogen safe alloy pipes. Put a hydrogen generator and compressor on the curb to feed the whole thing and replace each wall socket with a fuel cell to generate electricity to run your appliances. I'm sure you'll save thousands.
        _hypx 3y ago
        That might eventually happen. There's a reason why we have natural gas piping in millions of homes. With hydrogen this even replaces the need for the grid. Many ideas that were originally laughed at end up being the winning solution.

by _hypx 3y ago

Turskarama 3y ago

Miles of piping is still less than hundreds of miles of piping. > And it is cheaper to move hydrogen than electricity Citation needed. Probably true across oceans, overland I'm doubtful.

_hypx 3y ago
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2589004221014668 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S258900422... It is far cheaper to move fuel via pipelines than electrical wires. Your entire argument is just based on BEV propaganda. It is going to be systematically cheaper to go with hydrogen infrastructure than an all-electricity solution.
- Turskarama 3y ago
  That's bulk transmission, not distribution.
  - _hypx 3y ago
    The same rules apply for smaller pipelines. It's highly likely that it is cheaper to build hydrogen stations fed by pipelines than high-power cables for DC fast charging. Trucks can work as last-mile distribution too. This is not nearly as big as a problem as critics think, since those trucks only move short distances.
    - Turskarama 3y ago
      Well then, I encourage you to rip out all the copper cables from your house and replace them with hydrogen safe alloy pipes. Put a hydrogen generator and compressor on the curb to feed the whole thing and replace each wall socket with a fuel cell to generate electricity to run your appliances. I'm sure you'll save thousands.
      - _hypx 3y ago
        That might eventually happen. There's a reason why we have natural gas piping in millions of homes. With hydrogen this even replaces the need for the grid. Many ideas that were originally laughed at end up being the winning solution.