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> Mathematics truly seems to be the field with the highest integrity. Mathematician here. I'd like to think we have high (not sure about highest) integrity.

by kkylin 3y ago

> Mathematics truly seems to be the field with the highest integrity. Mathematician here. I'd like to think we have high (not sure about highest) integrity. But I should also point out that the custom in the field is to list authors alphabetically by family name, and the paper in question (https://oeis.org/A180632/a180632.pdf https://oeis.org/A180632/a180632.pdf) does not break with custom if you view "anonymous" as "family name"...

Paul-Craft 3y ago
I would think that "4Chan Poster" would be the "family name" here. Which, of course, would come lexicographically before most real family names.
- fsckboy 3y ago
  I would think they should have listed newfag as the author. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/newfag https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/newfag
  - Paul-Craft 3y ago
    Heh. "4Chan Poster, Newfag" would have been a great way to list the author's name. Perhaps ironically, the convention would then imply that newfag comes before oldfag. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/oldfag https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/oldfag
mkl 3y ago
> the custom in the field is to list authors alphabetically by family name This is only true in some fields of mathematics; many areas of mathematics do not follow this rule. (Also mathematician, and none of the papers I've been involved with have done the alphabetical thing.)
- ykonstant 3y ago
  Which field doesn't?
VyseofArcadia 3y ago
Once talking with my wife, biologist, I, mathematician, said something like, "I never get first author because my name is so late in the alphabet", and she stared at me like I had just sprouted a second head. Confusion and shock. That's when she had to sit me down and explain that first author is super mega important in her field, not just who is literally listed first.
- tejtm 3y ago
  errr... they are so hierarchically oriented they add in a different order of significant on the other end of the list of authors, so being first OR last is good
  - hgsgm 3y ago
    Same thing for TV show credits.
    - tejtm 3y ago
      that makes an unfortunate degree of sense
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jjgreen 3y ago
I'm a mathematician and some years ago wrote a joint paper with some philosophers, I suggested the paper but we all did comparable amounts of work on it: they insisted that my name was first (which was non alphabetically), it made me really quite uncomfortable as I imagined that others would assume that I was some kind of arrogant arse who had insisted on precedence.

by kkylin 3y ago

Paul-Craft 3y ago

I would think that "4Chan Poster" would be the "family name" here. Which, of course, would come lexicographically before most real family names.

fsckboy 3y ago
I would think they should have listed newfag as the author. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/newfag https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/newfag
- Paul-Craft 3y ago
  Heh. "4Chan Poster, Newfag" would have been a great way to list the author's name. Perhaps ironically, the convention would then imply that newfag comes before oldfag. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/oldfag https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/oldfag

mkl 3y ago

> the custom in the field is to list authors alphabetically by family name This is only true in some fields of mathematics; many areas of mathematics do not follow this rule. (Also mathematician, and none of the papers I've been involved with have done the alphabetical thing.)

ykonstant 3y ago
Which field doesn't?

VyseofArcadia 3y ago

Once talking with my wife, biologist, I, mathematician, said something like, "I never get first author because my name is so late in the alphabet", and she stared at me like I had just sprouted a second head. Confusion and shock. That's when she had to sit me down and explain that first author is super mega important in her field, not just who is literally listed first.

tejtm 3y ago
errr... they are so hierarchically oriented they add in a different order of significant on the other end of the list of authors, so being first OR last is good
- hgsgm 3y ago
  Same thing for TV show credits.
  - tejtm 3y ago
    that makes an unfortunate degree of sense

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jjgreen 3y ago

I'm a mathematician and some years ago wrote a joint paper with some philosophers, I suggested the paper but we all did comparable amounts of work on it: they insisted that my name was first (which was non alphabetically), it made me really quite uncomfortable as I imagined that others would assume that I was some kind of arrogant arse who had insisted on precedence.