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The output isn't the only infringement, arguably. You could also argue (and I expect good lawyers will), that the numeric representation of the artist's works

by bjt 3y ago

The output isn't the only infringement, arguably. You could also argue (and I expect good lawyers will), that the numeric representation of the artist's works inside the model is already an infringing copy. (Just like the JPEG bytes stored on a server, even without them being blitted to a screen.)

zirgs 3y ago
Models don't store any artist's works. They are way too small to do that.
- seanhunter 3y ago
  Getty has alleged that Stable Diffusion is sometimes returning some of their copyright images[1]. Even if the model seems too small to directly store the images, it seems at least plausible to me that the parameters can act as a compression such that the model could just output an almost direct copy of an original. I have certainly seen stable diffusion emit images which look like a getty watermark has just been blurred out. [1] https://www.reuters.com/legal/getty-images-lawsuit-says-stability-ai-misused-photos-train-ai-2023-02-06/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/getty-images-lawsuit-says-stab...
  - zirgs 3y ago
    It doesn't store the original images, but it has learned how getty images watermark looks like and where it's located, because it has been repeated millions of times. So it sometimes can return that. This is why it's important to clean up the training dataset. To remove duplicates, images containing watermarks, images that are too similar to each other and so on.
    - pxoe 3y ago
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- lewhoo 3y ago
  Models don't store any artist's works. They are way too small to do that. I have close to none knowledge on this subject but I find it very curious and I'd like to know more on that because it seems to me they don't store it but only in the traditional sense. For example, if you could procure a quote, for instance, I asked (chatgpt): - "In Game of Thrones what did Jon Snow say to Arya when he gave her the sword named 'needle' ?", - and it answers: "[...] "Stick 'em with the pointy end. [...]" Then it indicates to me that the information is there. Maybe we should consider that the model actually stores the information but the information is compressed ? Could you ask midjourney to recreate the Mona Lisa of Mickey Mouse ? The right information can't just appear out of thin air. If I recall correctly, someone had some success in identifying and modifying the right neurons or weights of some LLM which changed it "opinion" on where Rome is located ?
- mrtranscendence 3y ago
  This is not precisely true. It's been shown that image models can reproduce certain works almost exactly (up to very minor differences). It takes some effort to find such pieces but they exist.
  - zirgs 3y ago
    It takes a lot of effort and the results aren't that great. (low resolution, bad hands) It's way easier to just find the original image and use that instead.
judge2020 3y ago
Technically, the DMCA does not limit people from storing copyrighted works, only downloading, distributing and/or reproducing.

by bjt 3y ago

zirgs 3y ago

Models don't store any artist's works. They are way too small to do that.

seanhunter 3y ago
Getty has alleged that Stable Diffusion is sometimes returning some of their copyright images[1]. Even if the model seems too small to directly store the images, it seems at least plausible to me that the parameters can act as a compression such that the model could just output an almost direct copy of an original. I have certainly seen stable diffusion emit images which look like a getty watermark has just been blurred out. [1] https://www.reuters.com/legal/getty-images-lawsuit-says-stability-ai-misused-photos-train-ai-2023-02-06/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/getty-images-lawsuit-says-stab...
- zirgs 3y ago
  It doesn't store the original images, but it has learned how getty images watermark looks like and where it's located, because it has been repeated millions of times. So it sometimes can return that. This is why it's important to clean up the training dataset. To remove duplicates, images containing watermarks, images that are too similar to each other and so on.
  - pxoe 3y ago
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lewhoo 3y ago
Models don't store any artist's works. They are way too small to do that. I have close to none knowledge on this subject but I find it very curious and I'd like to know more on that because it seems to me they don't store it but only in the traditional sense. For example, if you could procure a quote, for instance, I asked (chatgpt): - "In Game of Thrones what did Jon Snow say to Arya when he gave her the sword named 'needle' ?", - and it answers: "[...] "Stick 'em with the pointy end. [...]" Then it indicates to me that the information is there. Maybe we should consider that the model actually stores the information but the information is compressed ? Could you ask midjourney to recreate the Mona Lisa of Mickey Mouse ? The right information can't just appear out of thin air. If I recall correctly, someone had some success in identifying and modifying the right neurons or weights of some LLM which changed it "opinion" on where Rome is located ?
mrtranscendence 3y ago
This is not precisely true. It's been shown that image models can reproduce certain works almost exactly (up to very minor differences). It takes some effort to find such pieces but they exist.
- zirgs 3y ago
  It takes a lot of effort and the results aren't that great. (low resolution, bad hands) It's way easier to just find the original image and use that instead.

judge2020 3y ago

Technically, the DMCA does not limit people from storing copyrighted works, only downloading, distributing and/or reproducing.