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This is not a long term solution because we need to entirely stop barfing CO2 into the atmosphere and extract the CO2 we’ve already put there.

by wilg 3y ago

Turskarama 3y ago
That's not happening in the next 10-20 years either way. As far as I'm concerned, a 95% reduction in emissions is a big win, and a 95% reduction in 5 years is better than a 100% reduction in 30 years.
- wilg 3y ago
  Sure. Whatever helps. People should be switching their cars to the lowest lifecycle emission cars they can. Battery-electric vehicles handily beat hybrids on this metric. (Perhaps your proposed hybrid ratio would close the gap more.) But as long as you're lowering this number as significantly as you can over your previous car each time you buy, you'll be doing your best. https://theicct.org/publication/ghg-benefits-incentives-ev-mar22/ https://theicct.org/publication/ghg-benefits-incentives-ev-m... FWIW, a ~300 mile EV like the ones on the market today are pretty much there for long distance travel. If you're going camping or something away from the charging network, you can still charge anywhere there is electricity, and quite fast if you find an RV campsite with hookups you can plug into.
  - Turskarama 3y ago
    Yeah the long range EVs are certainly long enough range for me. My problem with them is that I'm paying for about 3x as much battery as I really want for 99% of my driving, and even though they're getting cheaper they're still a significant cost.
GuB-42 3y ago
Cheaper, lighter, smaller, safer higher capacity batteries charged using renewable energy in ubiquitous charging points or even electrified roads are a long term solution. But we don't have it yet. However, we know how to make the kind of plug-in hybrids GP is talking about, we already did. For people who have the occasional long range / frequent short range pattern, unfortunately, today, a gas car is the better value proposition. A small electric-first plug-in hybrid could be a good alternative. Probably not in the future, but some people need a car today, and for most of them, it will be a gas car.

This is not a long term solution because we need to entirely stop barfing CO2 into the atmosphere and extract the CO2 we’ve already put there.

by wilg 3y ago

This is not a long term solution because we need to entirely stop barfing CO2 into the atmosphere and extract the CO2 we’ve already put there.

Turskarama 3y ago

That's not happening in the next 10-20 years either way. As far as I'm concerned, a 95% reduction in emissions is a big win, and a 95% reduction in 5 years is better than a 100% reduction in 30 years.

wilg 3y ago
Sure. Whatever helps. People should be switching their cars to the lowest lifecycle emission cars they can. Battery-electric vehicles handily beat hybrids on this metric. (Perhaps your proposed hybrid ratio would close the gap more.) But as long as you're lowering this number as significantly as you can over your previous car each time you buy, you'll be doing your best. https://theicct.org/publication/ghg-benefits-incentives-ev-mar22/ https://theicct.org/publication/ghg-benefits-incentives-ev-m... FWIW, a ~300 mile EV like the ones on the market today are pretty much there for long distance travel. If you're going camping or something away from the charging network, you can still charge anywhere there is electricity, and quite fast if you find an RV campsite with hookups you can plug into.
- Turskarama 3y ago
  Yeah the long range EVs are certainly long enough range for me. My problem with them is that I'm paying for about 3x as much battery as I really want for 99% of my driving, and even though they're getting cheaper they're still a significant cost.

GuB-42 3y ago

Cheaper, lighter, smaller, safer higher capacity batteries charged using renewable energy in ubiquitous charging points or even electrified roads are a long term solution. But we don't have it yet. However, we know how to make the kind of plug-in hybrids GP is talking about, we already did. For people who have the occasional long range / frequent short range pattern, unfortunately, today, a gas car is the better value proposition. A small electric-first plug-in hybrid could be a good alternative. Probably not in the future, but some people need a car today, and for most of them, it will be a gas car.