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> "Property" is a natural concept since with physical objects you either have them or you don't. The word "have" is just a linguistic feature (in English, no l

> "Property" is a natural concept since with physical objects you either have them or you don't. The word "have" is just a linguistic feature (in English, no less[1]), or (at most) a concept. It's not inherent in the physical world.[2] The concept of ownership is ultimately a linguistic and/or social convention. (Some) humans choose to think in terms of ownership, but they need not do so. [1] - which might not even be present in some other languages, or might not be as natural to talk about as in English [2] - except to the extent that all thoughts might be argued to be physical, if they are considered to be in the brain and everything in the brain is physical

f33d5173 3y ago
Other languages have words with equivalent meaning. Even animals have property they defend
- smegsicle 3y ago
  in other words property doesn't exist because government grants it, government exists because everyone agrees its better than personally defending their property
- pmoriarty 3y ago
  > Other languages have words with equivalent meaning. Some languages do. It doesn't mean that all languages do, and even in those that do the use of such language may not be as natural as it is in English. > Even animals have property they defend Animals do things that some humans may interpret as defense, and and that some humans may interpret as "property", but that doesn't mean that that's what animals are doing, much less that animals think of anything as "their property".
  - f33d5173 3y ago
    At a certain point, I can redefine your entire response as agreeing with me, hence obviating the need for a detailed reply.
kelnos 3y ago
> The concept of ownership is ultimately a linguistic and/or social convention. Sure, but the GGP said they think of all kinds of property as a "government-granted monopoly". The linguistic and social conventions you refer to have nothing to do with government.

f33d5173 3y ago

Other languages have words with equivalent meaning. Even animals have property they defend

smegsicle 3y ago
in other words property doesn't exist because government grants it, government exists because everyone agrees its better than personally defending their property
pmoriarty 3y ago
> Other languages have words with equivalent meaning. Some languages do. It doesn't mean that all languages do, and even in those that do the use of such language may not be as natural as it is in English. > Even animals have property they defend Animals do things that some humans may interpret as defense, and and that some humans may interpret as "property", but that doesn't mean that that's what animals are doing, much less that animals think of anything as "their property".
- f33d5173 3y ago
  At a certain point, I can redefine your entire response as agreeing with me, hence obviating the need for a detailed reply.

kelnos 3y ago

> The concept of ownership is ultimately a linguistic and/or social convention. Sure, but the GGP said they think of all kinds of property as a "government-granted monopoly". The linguistic and social conventions you refer to have nothing to do with government.