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The simplest exercise to follow this to its end: only parents should be allowed to vote on matters that affect children. Education, medical policy, school board

The simplest exercise to follow this to its end: only parents should be allowed to vote on matters that affect children. Education, medical policy, school boards, etc. It’s an easy case to make that always comes with pretty intense debate. Assume that…but with everything. EDIT: To be clear, this is an example to show where this path leads. Not something I'm advocating.

tikhonj 3y ago
Maybe it's only the children who should be allowed to vote on matters that affect them.
- the_third_wave 3y ago
  Definitely not, they are children after all and as such not yet ready to oversee the consequences of their choices - not because they are stupid but because they lack some essential skills which will come along later in their development. That is what it means to be a child, that is why children are not legally responsible for their actions, that is why they require adult supervision.
hef19898 3y ago
Parents are the last person to vote on education so. Most are unqualified, all are emotionally involved. Since we cannot exclude people from voting, well, that everybody can vote, directly on indirectly on almost everything is actually a good thing.
- coldtea 3y ago
  >Parents are the last person to vote on education so. Most are unqualified, all are emotionally involved. They shouldn't need to be qualified or emotionally not involved to vote on something that affects them, their families, and their children. That's democracy. Anything else is authoritarian dictums, whether they are based on god given or expertise given or gun given power.
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MisterBastahrd 3y ago
The education your children get affects me if I have to encounter your children. If you live in my community, then it is also likely that my tax dollars pay for your kids' educations. The medical decisions that you make for your children (vaccinations) can also affect me. So no, that's a non-starter.
- dionidium 3y ago
  That which explains everything explains nothing. Literally everything affects you in the sense implied here, so "it affects me" is quite plainly insufficient justification for intervention. Everything affects you in some sense.
  - MisterBastahrd 3y ago
    I don't expect to get a vote over what happens in Cleveland, because I don't pay taxes in Cleveland, but I sure as fuck expect to have a vote in what happens with my money here. I'm not an "investor." I'm a citizen. There are no extra shares or votes which I can buy. These are different classifications with different expectations.
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tikhonj 3y ago

Maybe it's only the children who should be allowed to vote on matters that affect them.

the_third_wave 3y ago
Definitely not, they are children after all and as such not yet ready to oversee the consequences of their choices - not because they are stupid but because they lack some essential skills which will come along later in their development. That is what it means to be a child, that is why children are not legally responsible for their actions, that is why they require adult supervision.

hef19898 3y ago

Parents are the last person to vote on education so. Most are unqualified, all are emotionally involved. Since we cannot exclude people from voting, well, that everybody can vote, directly on indirectly on almost everything is actually a good thing.

coldtea 3y ago
>Parents are the last person to vote on education so. Most are unqualified, all are emotionally involved. They shouldn't need to be qualified or emotionally not involved to vote on something that affects them, their families, and their children. That's democracy. Anything else is authoritarian dictums, whether they are based on god given or expertise given or gun given power.
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MisterBastahrd 3y ago

The education your children get affects me if I have to encounter your children. If you live in my community, then it is also likely that my tax dollars pay for your kids' educations. The medical decisions that you make for your children (vaccinations) can also affect me. So no, that's a non-starter.

dionidium 3y ago
That which explains everything explains nothing. Literally everything affects you in the sense implied here, so "it affects me" is quite plainly insufficient justification for intervention. Everything affects you in some sense.
- MisterBastahrd 3y ago
  I don't expect to get a vote over what happens in Cleveland, because I don't pay taxes in Cleveland, but I sure as fuck expect to have a vote in what happens with my money here. I'm not an "investor." I'm a citizen. There are no extra shares or votes which I can buy. These are different classifications with different expectations.
  - dionidium 3y ago
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