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> The alt right are basically the only major suppressed group in the Western world at the moment, and I have no problem with that. Reminds me of this quote fro

by Ygg2 3y ago

> The alt right are basically the only major suppressed group in the Western world at the moment, and I have no problem with that. Reminds me of this quote from a man for all seasons: William Roper : So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law! Sir Thomas More : Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil? William Roper : Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that! Sir Thomas More : Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake! What prevents next Trump-like to use the same censorship machinery people construct to fight alt-right into going after them? Or lets say you decide, enough is enough and right/Republicans needs to be banned, what then? You just made the next China.

karmakurtisaani 3y ago
I think you might have missed the next sentence in my text that you quoted. Alt right people are not persecuted for their opinions, so they still have their freedom of speech. They just like to pretend that they don't.
- Ygg2 3y ago
  No. I just don't consider it true. Sure, government doesn't silence anymore. They just ask Facebook/Twitter/[insert social media] nicely to do that instead of them. In same way a mobster just asks you to help him out with that problematic person. Or else.
  - karmakurtisaani 3y ago
    But that's not the same as not having freedom of speech. FoS comes up when you get in trouble for expressing s point of view. For the type of suppression you talk about, check out Manufacturing Consent by Noam Chomsky.
    - Ygg2 3y ago
      > Freedom of speech is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction What Twitter did was censorship. But even if pretend, for sake of argument, it never happened. You still have corporations doing sanctions on behest of government.

by Ygg2 3y ago

karmakurtisaani 3y ago

I think you might have missed the next sentence in my text that you quoted. Alt right people are not persecuted for their opinions, so they still have their freedom of speech. They just like to pretend that they don't.

Ygg2 3y ago
No. I just don't consider it true. Sure, government doesn't silence anymore. They just ask Facebook/Twitter/[insert social media] nicely to do that instead of them. In same way a mobster just asks you to help him out with that problematic person. Or else.
- karmakurtisaani 3y ago
  But that's not the same as not having freedom of speech. FoS comes up when you get in trouble for expressing s point of view. For the type of suppression you talk about, check out Manufacturing Consent by Noam Chomsky.
  - Ygg2 3y ago
    > Freedom of speech is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction What Twitter did was censorship. But even if pretend, for sake of argument, it never happened. You still have corporations doing sanctions on behest of government.