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Culprits are always the instructors/professors who teach courses. Aren't they happy with their salaries? How much royalty do these instructors get from selling

Culprits are always the instructors/professors who teach courses. Aren't they happy with their salaries? How much royalty do these instructors get from selling $200 textbook to their students? These professors should be ashamed of themselves in involving this scammy behavior, while at the same time these unethical/immoral professors ask their students to sign honor code.

beej71 3y ago
I'm not a professor, just a full time instructor, but my salary is 40% what I'd make in industry. But it's worth it for the great health insurance and 4 months off per year. And for the fact that teaching is what I love. The salary is frankly embarrassing to share with my peers in industry. But not all of us take it out on the students. I find free books whenever I can for my courses. I even write books and let the students (and everyone) freely use them. If there are good for-profit books out there, I only use them if they're cheap and something useful beyond college. I got it from Dad, who was also a teacher. He got tired of book prices and wrote his own. Students still had to buy it, but they could do so at cost at the college print shop. Dad made no money from it.
- jliptzin 3y ago
  If only there were more teachers like you and your dad
- electriclove 3y ago
  Are you considering becoming a professor? Salaries for many US colleges and universities are much higher than most think.
  - analog31 3y ago
    Everybody's considering becoming a professor. What's your research portfolio look like? How much grant money can you raise? Demand for those jobs is extreme. Meanwhile the ranks of tenured professors are shrinking as colleges make more use of contract teaching staff.
  - theoldlove 3y ago
    Anyone who is a full-time instructor at a university has a strongly considered becoming a professor, but weren’t able to get that job for whatever reason. And even if you were a professor, if you’re not bringing big money you’re not earning a great salary either. Go look on Transparent California and see how much tenured faculty at a CSU are making.
  - beej71 3y ago
    I think instructor is where I want to be. I'm focused on instructional excellence, and I think research and grant writing would get in the way of that. My dream job is actually working for a community college with a pure focus on teaching and learning, but the pay there doesn't justify that decision financially, sadly.
- sthatipamala 3y ago
  Are you THE beej of the network programming guide?
  - beej71 3y ago
    Guilty. :)
diffeomorphism 3y ago
Nah, almost never. That is usually forced by the university, publishers and, surprisingly, by the students and their parents: Say the textbook used for the last 5 years costs $300 and now you want to switch to a different, cheaper book. Now you have to convince admin (why switch? The previous one works) and students (I pay $$$ tuition, why are you cheaping out on the book? Is it worse?). > how much royalty do they get? Basically nothing, so that is obviously not the reason and you should be ashamed of yourself for suggesting that.
- raincom 3y ago
  I don't need to be ashamed of suggesting that. These professors should be ashamed of themselves for not taking this issue with their administration. If they can't stand for these issues, how can they teach future generations?
  - diffeomorphism 3y ago
    I see you have entirely avoided admitting you were wrong, then made up another accusation and climbed on a high horse. You obviously have no interest in solving anything, just in virtue signaling.
- agrue 3y ago
  > Basically nothing You might consider providing a more concrete example if you're going to throw shame around. This answer feels emotionally charged and incomplete.
  - diffeomorphism 3y ago
    > You might consider providing a more concrete example if you're going to throw shame around. This answer feels emotionally charged and incomplete. Exactly what I am calling out. Thanks.
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beej71 3y ago

I'm not a professor, just a full time instructor, but my salary is 40% what I'd make in industry. But it's worth it for the great health insurance and 4 months off per year. And for the fact that teaching is what I love. The salary is frankly embarrassing to share with my peers in industry. But not all of us take it out on the students. I find free books whenever I can for my courses. I even write books and let the students (and everyone) freely use them. If there are good for-profit books out there, I only use them if they're cheap and something useful beyond college. I got it from Dad, who was also a teacher. He got tired of book prices and wrote his own. Students still had to buy it, but they could do so at cost at the college print shop. Dad made no money from it.

jliptzin 3y ago
If only there were more teachers like you and your dad
electriclove 3y ago
Are you considering becoming a professor? Salaries for many US colleges and universities are much higher than most think.
- analog31 3y ago
  Everybody's considering becoming a professor. What's your research portfolio look like? How much grant money can you raise? Demand for those jobs is extreme. Meanwhile the ranks of tenured professors are shrinking as colleges make more use of contract teaching staff.
- theoldlove 3y ago
  Anyone who is a full-time instructor at a university has a strongly considered becoming a professor, but weren’t able to get that job for whatever reason. And even if you were a professor, if you’re not bringing big money you’re not earning a great salary either. Go look on Transparent California and see how much tenured faculty at a CSU are making.
- beej71 3y ago
  I think instructor is where I want to be. I'm focused on instructional excellence, and I think research and grant writing would get in the way of that. My dream job is actually working for a community college with a pure focus on teaching and learning, but the pay there doesn't justify that decision financially, sadly.
sthatipamala 3y ago
Are you THE beej of the network programming guide?
- beej71 3y ago
  Guilty. :)

diffeomorphism 3y ago

Nah, almost never. That is usually forced by the university, publishers and, surprisingly, by the students and their parents: Say the textbook used for the last 5 years costs $300 and now you want to switch to a different, cheaper book. Now you have to convince admin (why switch? The previous one works) and students (I pay $$$ tuition, why are you cheaping out on the book? Is it worse?). > how much royalty do they get? Basically nothing, so that is obviously not the reason and you should be ashamed of yourself for suggesting that.

raincom 3y ago
I don't need to be ashamed of suggesting that. These professors should be ashamed of themselves for not taking this issue with their administration. If they can't stand for these issues, how can they teach future generations?
- diffeomorphism 3y ago
  I see you have entirely avoided admitting you were wrong, then made up another accusation and climbed on a high horse. You obviously have no interest in solving anything, just in virtue signaling.
agrue 3y ago
> Basically nothing You might consider providing a more concrete example if you're going to throw shame around. This answer feels emotionally charged and incomplete.
- diffeomorphism 3y ago
  > You might consider providing a more concrete example if you're going to throw shame around. This answer feels emotionally charged and incomplete. Exactly what I am calling out. Thanks.

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