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This reads more like a highly opinionated blog post. I’m not saying its claims aren’t true, but it certainly doesn’t bother to present hard evidence. It’s also

by harles 3y ago

This reads more like a highly opinionated blog post. I’m not saying its claims aren’t true, but it certainly doesn’t bother to present hard evidence. It’s also just a bizarre list of complaints, primarily that Meta should have a larger presence in Kenya and give better amenities. > Even if Meta could make the argument that it has no concrete ties to subcontracting companies in Kenya that operate on its behalf, it’s clear the social media company has no intention of bolstering its content moderation operations there. I’m not sure how work force size got conflated with union busting. > By working through contracting companies, Meta is immune from having to pay for workers’ health care or transportation — even daily meals and entertainment, which are amenities most of its full-time employees around the world not only enjoy but expect. It’s weird to aim this at Meta. It also doesn’t say that they’re not receiving these benefits - just that Meta doesn’t pay for them, which is how I’d expect a vendor to work. Edit, also: > Facebook could choose to directly employ moderators rather than outsourcing them to companies like Sama in Kenya or Accenture in the United States. They could give them the same pay, benefits, and mental health cover as Facebook’s employees at Menlo Park … Asking for Silicon Valley wages in Kenya is just bizarre.

donohoe 3y ago
Hard evidence? Whats your definition, and whats your expectation of it from this story? Its shining light on an issue and provides a lot of substance/evidence to its claims. I feel you're saying this doesn't really count unless there is an obvious "smoking gun".
- harles 3y ago
  Examples or even anecdotes. There aren’t allegations in the article of any sort of union busting, other than someone is suing without details of what the person is alleging.
  - spicebox 3y ago
    The article says that they alleged they were fired after trying to organize with fellow employees
transcriptase 3y ago
It’s Jacobin. If you’re unfamiliar, their wiki page has more insight into their history and goals.
ChoHag 3y ago
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x3874 3y ago
> even daily meals and entertainment, which are amenities most of its full-time employees around the world not only enjoy but expect. Yeah, sure. Maybe in SV / SF. The tech world is so out of touch (i work in Tech too, but at a 'normal' corp, not some srartup or FAANG) to expected these. But as someone hinted at: Jacobin mag - socialist agenda.
spicebox 3y ago
> It’s weird to aim this at Meta. It also doesn’t say that they’re not receiving these benefits - just that Meta doesn’t pay for them, which is how I’d expect a vendor to work. I think the point here is that these moderators are basically Meta employees but since they aren’t officially Meta employees they don’t get the same benefits that “full” employees get.
- caskstrength 3y ago
  > I think the point here is that these moderators are basically Meta employees but since they aren’t officially Meta employees they don’t get the same benefits that “full” employees get. I'm not aware of any company that provides same list of benefits and pays similar salaries worldwide. I bet Meta's full-time employees in most countries don't get most, if any benefits from the following list: health care, transportation, daily meals and entertainment. Overall the article is quite bizarre and I don't understand how it got so highly rated here on HN.

by harles 3y ago

donohoe 3y ago

Hard evidence? Whats your definition, and whats your expectation of it from this story? Its shining light on an issue and provides a lot of substance/evidence to its claims. I feel you're saying this doesn't really count unless there is an obvious "smoking gun".

harles 3y ago
Examples or even anecdotes. There aren’t allegations in the article of any sort of union busting, other than someone is suing without details of what the person is alleging.
- spicebox 3y ago
  The article says that they alleged they were fired after trying to organize with fellow employees

transcriptase 3y ago

It’s Jacobin. If you’re unfamiliar, their wiki page has more insight into their history and goals.

ChoHag 3y ago

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x3874 3y ago

> even daily meals and entertainment, which are amenities most of its full-time employees around the world not only enjoy but expect. Yeah, sure. Maybe in SV / SF. The tech world is so out of touch (i work in Tech too, but at a 'normal' corp, not some srartup or FAANG) to expected these. But as someone hinted at: Jacobin mag - socialist agenda.

spicebox 3y ago

> It’s weird to aim this at Meta. It also doesn’t say that they’re not receiving these benefits - just that Meta doesn’t pay for them, which is how I’d expect a vendor to work. I think the point here is that these moderators are basically Meta employees but since they aren’t officially Meta employees they don’t get the same benefits that “full” employees get.

caskstrength 3y ago
> I think the point here is that these moderators are basically Meta employees but since they aren’t officially Meta employees they don’t get the same benefits that “full” employees get. I'm not aware of any company that provides same list of benefits and pays similar salaries worldwide. I bet Meta's full-time employees in most countries don't get most, if any benefits from the following list: health care, transportation, daily meals and entertainment. Overall the article is quite bizarre and I don't understand how it got so highly rated here on HN.