I think to an English speaker with no other prejudice those would both be pronounced "wine-er". We all know that it's pronounced "ween-er" but the idea that it

I think to an English speaker with no other prejudice those would both be pronounced "wine-er". We all know that it's pronounced "ween-er" but the idea that it means someone from Vienna or something in Viennese style is lost to time, so there's no natural instinct for order of the i and the e.