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Sorry for the naive question, and I'm truly asking it honestly -- food grown organically (i.e. abiding by the recognized norms to be recognized as organic) woul

Sorry for the naive question, and I'm truly asking it honestly -- food grown organically (i.e. abiding by the recognized norms to be recognized as organic) would not be affected by this issue, correct? Using a weedkiller such as paraquat specifically makes food grown this way not organic, right?

mustntmumble 3y ago
https://www.ams.usda.gov/grades-standards/organic-standards https://www.ams.usda.gov/grades-standards/organic-standards
ornornor 3y ago
Not certain but I remember looking into this and finding out that organic or not doesn’t matter as much because the chemical gets in the soil and water, or in the wind, and eventually contaminated nearby fields not using it. It’s interesting to note that the chemical is banned in most of the world (EU, UK, Switzerland…) but not in the US because of course.
- samcheng 3y ago
  The organic certification process does include consideration for "Buffer Zones" to help prevent contamination from neighboring farms. https://tilth.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/BigQAnswered_Buffers_160418.pdf https://tilth.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/BigQAnswered_Bu... It's a mischaracterization to say "organic doesn't matter" - it's not perfect, but it does work to drive pesticides out of the food supply. It's not just a cynical marketing ploy.
- musha68k 3y ago
  One of the main reasons why CETA (Canada / EU trade agreement) was so heavily contested. In the end though, as you said it's really all just one big eco system of eco systems: same as with climate change, even "us rich people" will always feel the effects of these kinds of systemic issues at least to some extent. Even so, I also mostly buy organic if I can.. So a moral issue then - it's really about time to ban Roundup & co, globally. Side note: I remember StrangeLoop - of all conferences - at least at one time being sponsored by Monsanto (pre Bayer acquisition). It's a St. Louis company and running a conference is very expensive I get it, but come on what a let down... the science on "Roundup" & co had already been out there for ages at that point.

mustntmumble 3y ago

https://www.ams.usda.gov/grades-standards/organic-standards https://www.ams.usda.gov/grades-standards/organic-standards

ornornor 3y ago

Not certain but I remember looking into this and finding out that organic or not doesn’t matter as much because the chemical gets in the soil and water, or in the wind, and eventually contaminated nearby fields not using it. It’s interesting to note that the chemical is banned in most of the world (EU, UK, Switzerland…) but not in the US because of course.

samcheng 3y ago
The organic certification process does include consideration for "Buffer Zones" to help prevent contamination from neighboring farms. https://tilth.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/BigQAnswered_Buffers_160418.pdf https://tilth.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/BigQAnswered_Bu... It's a mischaracterization to say "organic doesn't matter" - it's not perfect, but it does work to drive pesticides out of the food supply. It's not just a cynical marketing ploy.
musha68k 3y ago
One of the main reasons why CETA (Canada / EU trade agreement) was so heavily contested. In the end though, as you said it's really all just one big eco system of eco systems: same as with climate change, even "us rich people" will always feel the effects of these kinds of systemic issues at least to some extent. Even so, I also mostly buy organic if I can.. So a moral issue then - it's really about time to ban Roundup & co, globally. Side note: I remember StrangeLoop - of all conferences - at least at one time being sponsored by Monsanto (pre Bayer acquisition). It's a St. Louis company and running a conference is very expensive I get it, but come on what a let down... the science on "Roundup" & co had already been out there for ages at that point.