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Tesla cameras can't see through fog any better than eyes.

zebomon 3y ago
Is this true though? Earlier today mine picked up on emergency lights that were several hundred feet further away in traffic than I would have seen them. It seems able to enhance the images the cameras capture.
- GenerocUsername 3y ago
  Could also be aware of the position of fixed road equipment via mapping software. It's more plausible than the cameras having some kind of super vision.
  - zebomon 3y ago
    It was a police car, not something fixed. I would imagine that the Tesla has zoom built into its camera system, whereas human vision does not.
    - judge2020 3y ago
      Realistically the training data contained some amount of emergency lights through fog, so it can identify faint emergency lights through fog as real emergency lights and will appropriately display the warning on-screen.
      - GenerocUsername 3y ago
        Also, WAZE and Google maps have had user reported speed traps for some time. So 1 Tesla driving by information the network of the police car and others do not need to observe it to know it's there
sundvor 3y ago
I think there's a reason why a new sensor suite is rumoured to be imminent. Much better cameras + radar? Key word being "Project Highland". It won't be a retrofit for older cars, which tells me current owners won't get to experience that next generation on FSD which will be possible. I never bought mine (Ryzen '22 LR3 with earlier gen radar, now disabled, plus USS - still in use fortunately) for the FSD anyway so I don't mind. I won't blame those who might do though! (This is presently all speculation/rumours until officially confirmed).
- judge2020 3y ago
  Must be out of the loop. HW4, which is higher resolution cameras and Phoenix HD Radar, has been in S/X for months and started showing up in (at least Fremont) Model Y's with a build date around May 25th. Highland has nothing to do with this, and Model 3 sales are still doing fine, so they don't need to drop anything yet to boost model 3 demand.
  - rootusrootus 3y ago
    Model 3 currently has a $3000 discount to boost demand.
    - judge2020 3y ago
      A 3k price drop shows they only need a little bit of a demand boost, especially since the discount is only on inventory cars. Highland will be a massive demand bump for them, since it being new likely pushes some Y purchasers to the 3.
      - rootusrootus 3y ago
        It's only 3k because of the newly available 7500 credit.
  - v0idzer0 3y ago
    Dropping prices doesn’t even have to be about demand. Lot of rivals like Lucid and Rivian struggling mightily in this market. You can pinch them out. You also may just want to share production efficiency gains with the customer for the same reason.
Blahah 3y ago
Of course they can. Fog doesn't block mid-IR.
- drno123 3y ago
  MWIR sensors are even more expensive than LIDAR, are military controlled and dofficult to export, and Tesla does not have them.
snovv_crash 3y ago
Lidar can't see through fog either.

Is this true though? Earlier today mine picked up on emergency lights that were several hundred feet further away in traffic than I would have seen them. It seems able to enhance the images the cameras capture.

GenerocUsername 3y ago
Could also be aware of the position of fixed road equipment via mapping software. It's more plausible than the cameras having some kind of super vision.
- zebomon 3y ago
  It was a police car, not something fixed. I would imagine that the Tesla has zoom built into its camera system, whereas human vision does not.
  - judge2020 3y ago
    Realistically the training data contained some amount of emergency lights through fog, so it can identify faint emergency lights through fog as real emergency lights and will appropriately display the warning on-screen.
    - GenerocUsername 3y ago
      Also, WAZE and Google maps have had user reported speed traps for some time. So 1 Tesla driving by information the network of the police car and others do not need to observe it to know it's there

sundvor 3y ago

I think there's a reason why a new sensor suite is rumoured to be imminent. Much better cameras + radar? Key word being "Project Highland". It won't be a retrofit for older cars, which tells me current owners won't get to experience that next generation on FSD which will be possible. I never bought mine (Ryzen '22 LR3 with earlier gen radar, now disabled, plus USS - still in use fortunately) for the FSD anyway so I don't mind. I won't blame those who might do though! (This is presently all speculation/rumours until officially confirmed).

judge2020 3y ago
Must be out of the loop. HW4, which is higher resolution cameras and Phoenix HD Radar, has been in S/X for months and started showing up in (at least Fremont) Model Y's with a build date around May 25th. Highland has nothing to do with this, and Model 3 sales are still doing fine, so they don't need to drop anything yet to boost model 3 demand.
- rootusrootus 3y ago
  Model 3 currently has a $3000 discount to boost demand.
  - judge2020 3y ago
    A 3k price drop shows they only need a little bit of a demand boost, especially since the discount is only on inventory cars. Highland will be a massive demand bump for them, since it being new likely pushes some Y purchasers to the 3.
    - rootusrootus 3y ago
      It's only 3k because of the newly available 7500 credit.
- v0idzer0 3y ago
  Dropping prices doesn’t even have to be about demand. Lot of rivals like Lucid and Rivian struggling mightily in this market. You can pinch them out. You also may just want to share production efficiency gains with the customer for the same reason.

Blahah 3y ago

Of course they can. Fog doesn't block mid-IR.

drno123 3y ago
MWIR sensors are even more expensive than LIDAR, are military controlled and dofficult to export, and Tesla does not have them.

snovv_crash 3y ago

Lidar can't see through fog either.