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When people have already been scammed, they will argue till blue in the face that it's not a scam, even if it's clear it is to everyone else... So if I said ye

When people have already been scammed, they will argue till blue in the face that it's not a scam, even if it's clear it is to everyone else... So if I said yes, what's your response? No, of course. Not saying everyone thinks it's a scam here, just that your argument it's not doesn't do much with the bias of already paying...

valine 3y ago
I pay some money once a month for my car to drive me around. My car then drives me around. My argument is that since I’m paying month by month I clearly know what I’m buying and have properly evaluated the value proposition. The classic argument that FSD is a scam because consumers don’t understand what they’re buying falls apart when FSD is a no contract subscription service.
- dghlsakjg 3y ago
  Does the car fully self drive, or does it require human supervision by a licensed driver in a particular seat? Sounds like FSD doesn’t actually FSD. In other words, you know what you’re buying is not what’s advertised so it isn’t a scam?
  - judge2020 3y ago
    The argument is that you know what you're buying, full stop. It doesn't matter what's being advertised, unless you intend to sue for false advertising, in which your best bet is to lie the whole time and say that you based your purchase entirely off of the advertising.
  - valine 3y ago
    You can imagine my shock every time the steering wheel nag goes off. You’d think I’d learn by now.
o1y32 3y ago
Exactly. I have learned that there is no point trying to tell a Tesla fanboy what the problem is. They will not listen. In the nytimes article, a guy bought another Tesla right after the previous one was totalled because of an FSD error. The thing I have been telling myself is that fortunately I am not risking my own life for that.
- valine 3y ago
  Is this the article you’re talking about? https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/17/magazine/tesla-autopilot-self-driving-elon-musk.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/17/magazine/tesla-autopilot-... The “totaled car” was a 2015 Model S which would have been running MobilEye software, not FSD. Stirring up hysteria is a classic tactic that news sites use to generate revenue. Always look at the title of the page. When you see something like “New York Time Magazine” there’s a good chance what you’re reading is not actually a reputable NYT article.
  - throwaway2037 3y ago
    When you see something like “New York Time Magazine” there’s a good chance what you’re reading is not actually a reputable NYT article. This is the first time I have seen such an accusation on HN about the quality of NYTM vs NYT. To me, NYTM is just longer form -- a bit more story telling.
- sidibe 3y ago
  The Tesla Stanley video perfectly sums up my experience discussing FSD with big fans. https://youtu.be/4r-kUtLShJo https://youtu.be/4r-kUtLShJo

valine 3y ago

I pay some money once a month for my car to drive me around. My car then drives me around. My argument is that since I’m paying month by month I clearly know what I’m buying and have properly evaluated the value proposition. The classic argument that FSD is a scam because consumers don’t understand what they’re buying falls apart when FSD is a no contract subscription service.

dghlsakjg 3y ago
Does the car fully self drive, or does it require human supervision by a licensed driver in a particular seat? Sounds like FSD doesn’t actually FSD. In other words, you know what you’re buying is not what’s advertised so it isn’t a scam?
- judge2020 3y ago
  The argument is that you know what you're buying, full stop. It doesn't matter what's being advertised, unless you intend to sue for false advertising, in which your best bet is to lie the whole time and say that you based your purchase entirely off of the advertising.
- valine 3y ago
  You can imagine my shock every time the steering wheel nag goes off. You’d think I’d learn by now.

o1y32 3y ago

Exactly. I have learned that there is no point trying to tell a Tesla fanboy what the problem is. They will not listen. In the nytimes article, a guy bought another Tesla right after the previous one was totalled because of an FSD error. The thing I have been telling myself is that fortunately I am not risking my own life for that.

valine 3y ago
Is this the article you’re talking about? https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/17/magazine/tesla-autopilot-self-driving-elon-musk.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/17/magazine/tesla-autopilot-... The “totaled car” was a 2015 Model S which would have been running MobilEye software, not FSD. Stirring up hysteria is a classic tactic that news sites use to generate revenue. Always look at the title of the page. When you see something like “New York Time Magazine” there’s a good chance what you’re reading is not actually a reputable NYT article.
- throwaway2037 3y ago
  When you see something like “New York Time Magazine” there’s a good chance what you’re reading is not actually a reputable NYT article. This is the first time I have seen such an accusation on HN about the quality of NYTM vs NYT. To me, NYTM is just longer form -- a bit more story telling.
sidibe 3y ago
The Tesla Stanley video perfectly sums up my experience discussing FSD with big fans. https://youtu.be/4r-kUtLShJo https://youtu.be/4r-kUtLShJo