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New York May Have Lost Transit Riders by Building a $11B Train Station

21 points by resolutebat 3y ago

hifromLA 3y ago
Disheartening, but not surprising. I am such a strong believer that the US needs robust transit so we can reduce car dependence and build denser housing to address the insane cost of living not just in cities that are currently HCOL, but the cities that will become expensive as other migrate there. All that being said, I’m not aware of a single US city doing a good job expanding transit. The US doesn’t seem to have the ability to figure out transit and get costs under control. If anyone knows of any cities making big improvements, please chime in.
- hedora 3y ago
  California has a state wide mandate to reduce commuter miles driven. This isn’t actually an improvement though, because they are not expanding transit, or trying to reduce the total ecological impact of commuting, or even the impact of each commute mile. Instead, it is used by NIMBY’s as an excuse to sabotage the road system, which increases congestion and decreases fuel economy. I’ve heard this “development” model is being exported to places like Austin.
- codyb 3y ago
  NYC’s been pretty consistently expanding and updating it’s transit. Airtram to JFK. Hudson Yards 7 line stop. Fulton station in Financial District. Moynihan Train Hall opening. Half of the Q line expansion on the Upper East Side. Redoing LaGuardia. Tons of work to reduce the effects of flooding on the subway system. This new East Side access tunnel Most of this has happened in my only 10 years here which seems fairly decent.
hedora 3y ago
> As a result, they eliminated timed, scheduled transfers at a major merge point in Queens which many riders relied on to switch trains in a quick, efficient way. I’ve often argued that anyone responsible for public transit schedules that doesn’t work out a system of timed transfers should be summarily fired. (Unless trains run more frequently than once every 5 minutes.) Over here in the SF bay area, we have approximately 12 transit agencies, and none perform timed transfers with each other, so the vast majority of reachable destinations involve at least one 30 min - 2 hour transfer (assuming the stations of the two systems actually connect — they are often a half mile or so apart).
- user_named 3y ago
  Truly third world
- euroderf 3y ago
  If only they had some kind of "computational machines" that could work with times and numbers without direct human intervention.

21 points by resolutebat 3y ago

Disheartening, but not surprising. I am such a strong believer that the US needs robust transit so we can reduce car dependence and build denser housing to address the insane cost of living not just in cities that are currently HCOL, but the cities that will become expensive as other migrate there. All that being said, I’m not aware of a single US city doing a good job expanding transit. The US doesn’t seem to have the ability to figure out transit and get costs under control. If anyone knows of any cities making big improvements, please chime in.

hedora 3y ago
California has a state wide mandate to reduce commuter miles driven. This isn’t actually an improvement though, because they are not expanding transit, or trying to reduce the total ecological impact of commuting, or even the impact of each commute mile. Instead, it is used by NIMBY’s as an excuse to sabotage the road system, which increases congestion and decreases fuel economy. I’ve heard this “development” model is being exported to places like Austin.
codyb 3y ago
NYC’s been pretty consistently expanding and updating it’s transit. Airtram to JFK. Hudson Yards 7 line stop. Fulton station in Financial District. Moynihan Train Hall opening. Half of the Q line expansion on the Upper East Side. Redoing LaGuardia. Tons of work to reduce the effects of flooding on the subway system. This new East Side access tunnel Most of this has happened in my only 10 years here which seems fairly decent.

hedora 3y ago

> As a result, they eliminated timed, scheduled transfers at a major merge point in Queens which many riders relied on to switch trains in a quick, efficient way. I’ve often argued that anyone responsible for public transit schedules that doesn’t work out a system of timed transfers should be summarily fired. (Unless trains run more frequently than once every 5 minutes.) Over here in the SF bay area, we have approximately 12 transit agencies, and none perform timed transfers with each other, so the vast majority of reachable destinations involve at least one 30 min - 2 hour transfer (assuming the stations of the two systems actually connect — they are often a half mile or so apart).

user_named 3y ago
Truly third world
euroderf 3y ago
If only they had some kind of "computational machines" that could work with times and numbers without direct human intervention.