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Well I guess it's not the wooden box of a speaker that costs $2000-$30000 (normal price range for consumer Hi-Fi speakers). Replacing the speaker drivers would

by Puts 3y ago

Well I guess it's not the wooden box of a speaker that costs $2000-$30000 (normal price range for consumer Hi-Fi speakers). Replacing the speaker drivers would be more like replacing everything within the body of a car.

Blackthorn 3y ago
How do hifi speaker vendors justify such ridiculous prices when most studio monitors are way better priced than that? Insane.
- Puts 3y ago
  I genuinely wonder the same actually. Seems like there would go even more engineering into making a speaker that is "true" and not coloring the sound as one expects from their monitors.
  - smolder 3y ago
    There's plenty of real engineering but it's only engineers that can differentiate the heavily marketed and absurdly marked up snake oil things from what's real. DIY people share honestly good designs that are underperformed by speakers/amps that cost 10x or more.
- aerostable_slug 3y ago
  Justification isn't really a thing in that market (see also: luxury watches). My friends who are into hi-fi/audiophile stuff who value accuracy typically do go for studio monitors or similar (e.g. Harbeth) vs. stuff like Wilson Audio. Some of them still buy fairly woo-woo stuff like spendy cables even though they might know better, but at least they don't go in for the pure scam stuff like Shakti Stones or directional Ethernet cables...
- dylan604 3y ago
  For one, studio monitors are typically near-field speakers.
  - Blackthorn 3y ago
    "near field speaker" is a marketing term that has no meaning.
    - pseudosaid 3y ago
      thats not true. A near-field speaker tends to be a speaker that performs well at closer distances. its obviously implied given its prefix. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studio_monitor https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studio_monitor You dont know what you are talking about. “has no meaning” is such a nothing sandwich,
      - Blackthorn 3y ago
        Near field is a property of the space, not the speaker. Would suggest reading https://digistar.cl/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=547 https://digistar.cl/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=547
        smolder 3y ago
        You're right that it's about a space, or a field, which is in the name, but you're wrong in contradicting the other poster. The near field is determined by the radiating surface, the front baffle of the speaker. Room height line arrays for example have a large near field. Near field speakers are those with tuning designed to be flattest when listened to inside the near field. The link you posted is confused and misleading, which is unfortunate since they dressed it up as some kind of "myth busting".
- FpUser 3y ago
  Not at all. Pro grade reference monitors can cost a small fortune. PMC BB6 XBD-A for example are $125,000 a pair.
- deleted 3y ago
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- smolder 3y ago
  It's easy to trick people into overspending on audio gear because you can use their love for music and their subjective biases and their egos against them. It's like the perfect situation for slimy sales tactics.
smolder 3y ago
Beware, if you're spending $10k+ on consumer hifi speakers you're almost definitely getting ripped off. It costs only a few thousand at most to get the raw parts and materials to build truly world class speakers (quality-wise) that are loud enough for any normal living space. Maybe not for a concert hall type space, but that's not consumer hifi anymore.

by Puts 3y ago

Blackthorn 3y ago

How do hifi speaker vendors justify such ridiculous prices when most studio monitors are way better priced than that? Insane.

Puts 3y ago
I genuinely wonder the same actually. Seems like there would go even more engineering into making a speaker that is "true" and not coloring the sound as one expects from their monitors.
- smolder 3y ago
  There's plenty of real engineering but it's only engineers that can differentiate the heavily marketed and absurdly marked up snake oil things from what's real. DIY people share honestly good designs that are underperformed by speakers/amps that cost 10x or more.
aerostable_slug 3y ago
Justification isn't really a thing in that market (see also: luxury watches). My friends who are into hi-fi/audiophile stuff who value accuracy typically do go for studio monitors or similar (e.g. Harbeth) vs. stuff like Wilson Audio. Some of them still buy fairly woo-woo stuff like spendy cables even though they might know better, but at least they don't go in for the pure scam stuff like Shakti Stones or directional Ethernet cables...
dylan604 3y ago
For one, studio monitors are typically near-field speakers.
- Blackthorn 3y ago
  "near field speaker" is a marketing term that has no meaning.
  - pseudosaid 3y ago
    thats not true. A near-field speaker tends to be a speaker that performs well at closer distances. its obviously implied given its prefix. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studio_monitor https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studio_monitor You dont know what you are talking about. “has no meaning” is such a nothing sandwich,
    - Blackthorn 3y ago
      Near field is a property of the space, not the speaker. Would suggest reading https://digistar.cl/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=547 https://digistar.cl/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=547
      - smolder 3y ago
        You're right that it's about a space, or a field, which is in the name, but you're wrong in contradicting the other poster. The near field is determined by the radiating surface, the front baffle of the speaker. Room height line arrays for example have a large near field. Near field speakers are those with tuning designed to be flattest when listened to inside the near field. The link you posted is confused and misleading, which is unfortunate since they dressed it up as some kind of "myth busting".
FpUser 3y ago
Not at all. Pro grade reference monitors can cost a small fortune. PMC BB6 XBD-A for example are $125,000 a pair.
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smolder 3y ago
It's easy to trick people into overspending on audio gear because you can use their love for music and their subjective biases and their egos against them. It's like the perfect situation for slimy sales tactics.

smolder 3y ago

Beware, if you're spending $10k+ on consumer hifi speakers you're almost definitely getting ripped off. It costs only a few thousand at most to get the raw parts and materials to build truly world class speakers (quality-wise) that are loud enough for any normal living space. Maybe not for a concert hall type space, but that's not consumer hifi anymore.