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> if Humanloop had not gotten clearance to post what they posted, this would have been a grave overstep of journalistic ethics. Where did you get this idea? Yo

by 3np 3y ago

> if Humanloop had not gotten clearance to post what they posted, this would have been a grave overstep of journalistic ethics. Where did you get this idea? You don't "go on record" with a journalist. Everything you do and say around them is on the record by default. There are ethical codes and frameworks on what, when, and how to report but "private conversations are private" is certainly not considered normal. Re your mea culpa, it's a completely different situation and I don't see how journalistic ethics would be applicable there. If you want to have a more appropriate term, maybe "blogger ethics"?

swyx 3y ago
neither Raza nor myself are journalists, but we behave like them when we write stuff up for obvious HN bait. privacy by default is the overwhelming expected norm for private individuals. particularly at a closed door small group event. we abuse the system when we use our status as industry participants and become citizen journalists without first considering if the expectations are aligned.
- 3np 3y ago
  > we abuse the system when we use our status as industry participants and become citizen journalists Agreed. This includes not making statements like your previous one about "journalistic ethics". Consider this: If your now removed post had been containing the same information but based on a separate conversation with their ex-partner, with their consent to publish, would that had made it less problematic? Without having read the post, I imagine it wouldn't. So it turns out that there's more to it. I'm not saying these posts aren't problematic, nor that journalists lack ethics. I am saying that "private conversations are private" is oversimplifying the matter and not part of journalistic ethics in the general. You're making references to professional code you lack qualifications for. Consider medicine. Let's say Alex is visiting a sick family member. Alex has no medical training. They bring some drugs which later turn out to cause even worse health issues. "Medical ethics" isn't a useful framing for discussing that situation IMO, for similar reasons.

by 3np 3y ago

swyx 3y ago

neither Raza nor myself are journalists, but we behave like them when we write stuff up for obvious HN bait. privacy by default is the overwhelming expected norm for private individuals. particularly at a closed door small group event. we abuse the system when we use our status as industry participants and become citizen journalists without first considering if the expectations are aligned.

3np 3y ago
> we abuse the system when we use our status as industry participants and become citizen journalists Agreed. This includes not making statements like your previous one about "journalistic ethics". Consider this: If your now removed post had been containing the same information but based on a separate conversation with their ex-partner, with their consent to publish, would that had made it less problematic? Without having read the post, I imagine it wouldn't. So it turns out that there's more to it. I'm not saying these posts aren't problematic, nor that journalists lack ethics. I am saying that "private conversations are private" is oversimplifying the matter and not part of journalistic ethics in the general. You're making references to professional code you lack qualifications for. Consider medicine. Let's say Alex is visiting a sick family member. Alex has no medical training. They bring some drugs which later turn out to cause even worse health issues. "Medical ethics" isn't a useful framing for discussing that situation IMO, for similar reasons.