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It’s a fair comparison. Frankly the Nazis are overrated. Nazis: ~6 million Soviet Union: ~20 million China Cultural Revolution: ~30 million Though the Sovie

It’s a fair comparison. Frankly the Nazis are overrated. Nazis: ~6 million Soviet Union: ~20 million China Cultural Revolution: ~30 million Though the Soviet Union and China ones were more of a result of incredibly bad economic policies. The Soviets still killed ~1-2 million in Gulags directly. Let’s also not forget the Japanese genocides against China. Nanjing, Unit 731… There also is, of course, more recent ones that are little known. Cambodia took over a million and Rwanda close to that.

throwaway6734 3y ago
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- xcv123 3y ago
  Comically absurd Soviet propaganda without actual evidence. As credible as anything published by the North Korean government. The winners of WW2 wrote the history books.
coldtea 3y ago
At least the CPP and China only fucked their own people - plus, the numbers are hugely inflated BS as you note, adding results of bad policies, and famines etc in societies torn by wars and poverty. Regarding those, one could include the British genocide of Irish and Indian people which used those as explicit tools even (as opposed to mere incompetence, not to mention ruling India wasn't their job in the first place). In contrast, imperialism and colonialism fucked people over all over the world. And some of the later impact is masked, because they enabled locals to do the dirty job for them - to the tunes of tens of millions affected.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > the CPP and China only fucked their own people The Nazis thought they were fucking their own people. Every oppressive power uses this excuse.
oneshtein 3y ago
11 millions were killed, and 25 millions were starved to death by Soviets prior to the war. ("Svoboda" (Liberty, Ukrainian outlet in the USA) Oct 04 1941 [0]). Numbers are matching the (hidden and then destroyed) 1926 census, where Ukrainians were listed at 81 million and Russians at 77 million. Russians increased losses in WWWII from 12 to 42 millions to hide about 30 million of kills by Soviets. 0: http://web.archive.org/web/20160709210523/https://www.svoboda-news.com/arxiv/pdf/1941/Svoboda-1941-229.pdf http://web.archive.org/web/20160709210523/https://www.svobod...
- VagueMag 3y ago
  Ukrainian outlet in the USA in 1941, hmmmmm....
  - oneshtein 3y ago
    Too late to edit
xcv123 3y ago
> Nazis: ~6 million After many revisions the total death toll at each of the concentration camps where the Holocaust occurred (which just so happened to only occur on ex-Soviet territory) adds up to a tiny fraction of 6 million, but the overall "6 million" Soviet propaganda term was never revised.

throwaway6734 3y ago

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xcv123 3y ago
Comically absurd Soviet propaganda without actual evidence. As credible as anything published by the North Korean government. The winners of WW2 wrote the history books.

coldtea 3y ago

At least the CPP and China only fucked their own people - plus, the numbers are hugely inflated BS as you note, adding results of bad policies, and famines etc in societies torn by wars and poverty. Regarding those, one could include the British genocide of Irish and Indian people which used those as explicit tools even (as opposed to mere incompetence, not to mention ruling India wasn't their job in the first place). In contrast, imperialism and colonialism fucked people over all over the world. And some of the later impact is masked, because they enabled locals to do the dirty job for them - to the tunes of tens of millions affected.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> the CPP and China only fucked their own people The Nazis thought they were fucking their own people. Every oppressive power uses this excuse.

oneshtein 3y ago

11 millions were killed, and 25 millions were starved to death by Soviets prior to the war. ("Svoboda" (Liberty, Ukrainian outlet in the USA) Oct 04 1941 [0]). Numbers are matching the (hidden and then destroyed) 1926 census, where Ukrainians were listed at 81 million and Russians at 77 million. Russians increased losses in WWWII from 12 to 42 millions to hide about 30 million of kills by Soviets. 0: http://web.archive.org/web/20160709210523/https://www.svoboda-news.com/arxiv/pdf/1941/Svoboda-1941-229.pdf http://web.archive.org/web/20160709210523/https://www.svobod...

VagueMag 3y ago
Ukrainian outlet in the USA in 1941, hmmmmm....
- oneshtein 3y ago
  Too late to edit

xcv123 3y ago

> Nazis: ~6 million After many revisions the total death toll at each of the concentration camps where the Holocaust occurred (which just so happened to only occur on ex-Soviet territory) adds up to a tiny fraction of 6 million, but the overall "6 million" Soviet propaganda term was never revised.