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It looks like this is part of a growing body of evidence that suggests that the risks outweigh the benefits of vaccination for young people. It's also worth no

It looks like this is part of a growing body of evidence that suggests that the risks outweigh the benefits of vaccination for young people. It's also worth noting that the incidence of post-vaccination myocarditis (from this study; 1.08 per 100k people) is significantly lower than the 2014 rate of myocarditis: 8.6 per 100k people [1]. Additionally, the risk of myocarditis from a covid infection is signfiicantly higher than the risk of myocarditis from the covid vaccine. That being said, especially since the danger of covid is much less for young people, and the risk of the covid vaccine causing myocarditis is much higher for them, there's a growing push to stop vaccinating young people against covid. I think the CDC continues to quash its credibility by trying to sweep this under the rug, rather than presenting the facts--that there is risk, and there's a cost-benefit analysis. [1]: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-05951-z https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-05951-z [2]: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.059970 https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.... [3]: https://openheart.bmj.com/content/9/1/e001957 https://openheart.bmj.com/content/9/1/e001957

dgeiser13 3y ago
Ah, yes. Account created 43 minutes ago.
worrycue 3y ago
> I think the CDC continues to quash its credibility by trying to sweep this under the rug, rather than presenting the facts--that there is risk, and there's a cost-benefit analysis. If true, I don’t blame them. One thing they have learned this pandemic is the modern public doesn’t process nuance - see the usage of masks. If they broadcast this, a huge chunk of the population will think they should not vaccinate, COVID deaths will surge and more people died from COVID than vaccines induced myocarditis. Best to keep their mouths shut until more studies are completed and they have enough data.
- generalizations 3y ago
  > see the usage of masks The modern public doesn't have patience for lies. The messaging around the masks was explicitly untruthful, as we now know. Once the public picked up on that, the CDC etc. lost the benefit of the doubt, and that got us to where we are now. What you're referencing is the effect, not the cause.
  - worrycue 3y ago
    See ... At the beginning it was "don't hog masks" because there was a shortage, it's effectiveness vs COVID was unknown, and healthcare workers needed them to do their job - it would be a problem if Nurse Nancy breathed additional germs onto Little Timmy who is already weaken because he is sick. Later it's confirm that masks are effective vs COVID and the shortage has ceased so you should definitely wear them. But to a good chunk of the public, context and nuance is completely lost on them.
    - the_third_wave 3y ago
      > Later it's confirm that masks are effective vs COVID This has never been proven in any real sense, certainly not enough to justify mandatory masking. Now that the smoke is starting to clear a bit it is becoming clear that "There is not enough evidence to suggest medical-grade face masks protect vulnerable people from Covid" [1] and that "There is just no evidence that they — masks — make any difference ... There’s no evidence that many of these things make any difference” [2]. A similar conclusion was reached earlier by an oft-cited Danish study [3] from 2020 so it can not be said that these are new insights. This also makes it clear that forcing people to wear masks was not based on scientific data and as such can not be justified as "following science". [1] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/04/12/face-masks-protect-no-evidence-covid-lockdown/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/04/12/face-masks-prote... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/21/opinion/do-mask-mandates-work.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/21/opinion/do-mask-mandates-... [3] https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817 https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817
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      - worrycue 3y ago
        It's fact that masks help prevent the transmission of diseases that spread from the nose and mouth (and to my knowledge COVID is one of those) - that's why healthcare workers wear them; they have worn them for decades. > certainly not enough to justify mandatory masking This is the part that I don't get. People like you act like wearing a breathable fabric over your nose and mouth is some kind of huge sacrifice. Healthcare workers wear them everyday. The Japanese wear them whenever they are out and are sick with the flu/cold - some Japanese women even just wear them because they were too lazy to put on makeup that day. It's such a dumb thing to kick up a fuss over.

dgeiser13 3y ago

Ah, yes. Account created 43 minutes ago.

worrycue 3y ago

> I think the CDC continues to quash its credibility by trying to sweep this under the rug, rather than presenting the facts--that there is risk, and there's a cost-benefit analysis. If true, I don’t blame them. One thing they have learned this pandemic is the modern public doesn’t process nuance - see the usage of masks. If they broadcast this, a huge chunk of the population will think they should not vaccinate, COVID deaths will surge and more people died from COVID than vaccines induced myocarditis. Best to keep their mouths shut until more studies are completed and they have enough data.

generalizations 3y ago
> see the usage of masks The modern public doesn't have patience for lies. The messaging around the masks was explicitly untruthful, as we now know. Once the public picked up on that, the CDC etc. lost the benefit of the doubt, and that got us to where we are now. What you're referencing is the effect, not the cause.
- worrycue 3y ago
  See ... At the beginning it was "don't hog masks" because there was a shortage, it's effectiveness vs COVID was unknown, and healthcare workers needed them to do their job - it would be a problem if Nurse Nancy breathed additional germs onto Little Timmy who is already weaken because he is sick. Later it's confirm that masks are effective vs COVID and the shortage has ceased so you should definitely wear them. But to a good chunk of the public, context and nuance is completely lost on them.
  - the_third_wave 3y ago
    > Later it's confirm that masks are effective vs COVID This has never been proven in any real sense, certainly not enough to justify mandatory masking. Now that the smoke is starting to clear a bit it is becoming clear that "There is not enough evidence to suggest medical-grade face masks protect vulnerable people from Covid" [1] and that "There is just no evidence that they — masks — make any difference ... There’s no evidence that many of these things make any difference” [2]. A similar conclusion was reached earlier by an oft-cited Danish study [3] from 2020 so it can not be said that these are new insights. This also makes it clear that forcing people to wear masks was not based on scientific data and as such can not be justified as "following science". [1] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/04/12/face-masks-protect-no-evidence-covid-lockdown/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/04/12/face-masks-prote... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/21/opinion/do-mask-mandates-work.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/21/opinion/do-mask-mandates-... [3] https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817 https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817
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    - worrycue 3y ago
      It's fact that masks help prevent the transmission of diseases that spread from the nose and mouth (and to my knowledge COVID is one of those) - that's why healthcare workers wear them; they have worn them for decades. > certainly not enough to justify mandatory masking This is the part that I don't get. People like you act like wearing a breathable fabric over your nose and mouth is some kind of huge sacrifice. Healthcare workers wear them everyday. The Japanese wear them whenever they are out and are sick with the flu/cold - some Japanese women even just wear them because they were too lazy to put on makeup that day. It's such a dumb thing to kick up a fuss over.