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> “camera broken” But if a tangent, but I think this is the dumbest excuse ever. I wish people would just say they don’t want to turn it on. It seems weird whe

> “camera broken” But if a tangent, but I think this is the dumbest excuse ever. I wish people would just say they don’t want to turn it on. It seems weird when a programmer complains about this like it’s something outside their control. I’m sure it actually happens, but I’ve never had a MacBook camera fail and I have like 15 year old iMacs with the cam still working. This makes people sound incompetent, especially when cameras aren’t required or anything.

pcthrowaway 3y ago
Oh but the camera sometimes is broken. Glitchy firmware or bad drivers for the OS can lead to all sorts of problems (I'm talking about people using Desktops of course)
- prepend 3y ago
  I used usb webcams on desktops for 10 years and never had an outage (mostly windows but Linux as well). I’ve used half a dozen MacBooks over 15 years and never had an outage. I’m sure it does happen, but I don’t think I’m uniquely lucky. I bet the ratio of people who lie vs unfortunate as 100:1. And consistent failure is just poor planning as I would get a replacement after the first few failures. If I wanted to turn on my cam, of course.
  - pcthrowaway 3y ago
    I agree that people were probably lying in aggregate. What I'm saying is that it's the type of lie that you can't know is a lie based on one person not having their webcam work. It's like saying people who take 10 sick days a year are lying, because I've never taken more than 3 sick days. Of course, some people take sick days when they're not sick. But if, say, your employees in their 30s take twice as many sick days as employees in their 60s, it might be because people in their 30s are more inclined to "lie" about it (or use sick days for things besides being sick)
cultofmetatron 3y ago
you don't need the camera anyway. I worked with my cofounders as a contractor for a year without knowing what either of them looked like. we collaborated over slack, I did my job and they deposited the money into my account on time every month. I didn't actually see them face to face till i flew to greece to sign paperwork to get equity and officially form a startup as CTO. Been working together for 4 years now and we still only talk audio only. That said, I can understand why you'd want it at the initial outset. In my case, the introduction was made by a mutual friend whom provided that guarantee of trust. (reputation is everything)

pcthrowaway 3y ago

Oh but the camera sometimes is broken. Glitchy firmware or bad drivers for the OS can lead to all sorts of problems (I'm talking about people using Desktops of course)

prepend 3y ago
I used usb webcams on desktops for 10 years and never had an outage (mostly windows but Linux as well). I’ve used half a dozen MacBooks over 15 years and never had an outage. I’m sure it does happen, but I don’t think I’m uniquely lucky. I bet the ratio of people who lie vs unfortunate as 100:1. And consistent failure is just poor planning as I would get a replacement after the first few failures. If I wanted to turn on my cam, of course.
- pcthrowaway 3y ago
  I agree that people were probably lying in aggregate. What I'm saying is that it's the type of lie that you can't know is a lie based on one person not having their webcam work. It's like saying people who take 10 sick days a year are lying, because I've never taken more than 3 sick days. Of course, some people take sick days when they're not sick. But if, say, your employees in their 30s take twice as many sick days as employees in their 60s, it might be because people in their 30s are more inclined to "lie" about it (or use sick days for things besides being sick)

cultofmetatron 3y ago

you don't need the camera anyway. I worked with my cofounders as a contractor for a year without knowing what either of them looked like. we collaborated over slack, I did my job and they deposited the money into my account on time every month. I didn't actually see them face to face till i flew to greece to sign paperwork to get equity and officially form a startup as CTO. Been working together for 4 years now and we still only talk audio only. That said, I can understand why you'd want it at the initial outset. In my case, the introduction was made by a mutual friend whom provided that guarantee of trust. (reputation is everything)