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Wonderful, so Desktop Linux, on a phone. Because Desktop Linux, on a desktop PC worked so flawlessly, and Ubuntu was so user-friendly that they needed to repli

Wonderful, so Desktop Linux, on a phone. Because Desktop Linux, on a desktop PC worked so flawlessly, and Ubuntu was so user-friendly that they needed to replicate that awesome experience to mobile devices. (sarcasm intended) I would be much, more interested in a raw, low-level Linux platform, upon which others can build a fresh new touchscreen-oriented UI, minus all the KDE/Gnome cruft. I really don't want my phone looking like a clone of Windows 3.1.

ChrisNorstrom 15y ago
Not sure why you got downvoted, but I agree. I've been trying out each new upgrade of Ubuntu for about 6 years now. They've come a LONG way. Say what you want about Ubuntu but it has improved ten fold since the beginning. I apologize in advanced for my negative, probably incorrect, generalized opinions about linux and perticularly Ubuntu but I just can't help but feel this way. After all these years of messing with linux, I think I finally understand what linux is all about. Behind the sugar coated philanthropic message of "free software (with bad UIs) for the world" to give the open source community a feeling of vision and humane pride, it's really about giving people the freedom to dick around with their computers. That's it. That's all. It's an OS for people who like to dick around and try new things and feel like they've customized their own machine and their own experience. Same as the custom PC crowd (me). That's just the way we are. As soon as Canonical tried to actually fulfill linux's goal of bringing Ubuntu to the masses the older linux community got upset. I too got upset. Where the hell where my options?! Almost as if to say, "how dare you design for those heathens and not us hard core tweakers". Now it's getting apparent that Mark Shuttleworth has Steve Jobs envy but the guy is trying to take linux in the right direction. Easy to use, easy to maintain, and well designed. Unfortunately the majority of open source software (software without a company or sponsor that oversees developement) does NOT have this same goal. For them it's about being free and wild and raw and "who cares about the shitty UI, just use commands" So what we're going to end up with is a well designed OS with atrocious software. Thus an experience with a split personality. Also, in the world of linux, success is not measured by "market share", it's measured by "ability to dick around with the code" aka freedom. Installing what you want, using it how you want, whenever and however you want. Which is the exact opposite of what 95% of what consumers want, for things to just "work". So I think Ubuntu on phones is going to be really awesome for people like me who like to just mess around and try out new things, but I honestly don't see it going anywhere. 10 years from now Ubuntu on the phone is going to be like Ubuntu on the desktop: It's just there and you know, maybe 1 or 2 people, that actually use it. That's my $0.02. Sorry for being an ass but as an average person that's the vibe I'm getting from Ubuntu and Linux (Gos, Debian, Mint) in general.

ChrisNorstrom 15y ago

Not sure why you got downvoted, but I agree. I've been trying out each new upgrade of Ubuntu for about 6 years now. They've come a LONG way. Say what you want about Ubuntu but it has improved ten fold since the beginning. I apologize in advanced for my negative, probably incorrect, generalized opinions about linux and perticularly Ubuntu but I just can't help but feel this way. After all these years of messing with linux, I think I finally understand what linux is all about. Behind the sugar coated philanthropic message of "free software (with bad UIs) for the world" to give the open source community a feeling of vision and humane pride, it's really about giving people the freedom to dick around with their computers. That's it. That's all. It's an OS for people who like to dick around and try new things and feel like they've customized their own machine and their own experience. Same as the custom PC crowd (me). That's just the way we are. As soon as Canonical tried to actually fulfill linux's goal of bringing Ubuntu to the masses the older linux community got upset. I too got upset. Where the hell where my options?! Almost as if to say, "how dare you design for those heathens and not us hard core tweakers". Now it's getting apparent that Mark Shuttleworth has Steve Jobs envy but the guy is trying to take linux in the right direction. Easy to use, easy to maintain, and well designed. Unfortunately the majority of open source software (software without a company or sponsor that oversees developement) does NOT have this same goal. For them it's about being free and wild and raw and "who cares about the shitty UI, just use commands" So what we're going to end up with is a well designed OS with atrocious software. Thus an experience with a split personality. Also, in the world of linux, success is not measured by "market share", it's measured by "ability to dick around with the code" aka freedom. Installing what you want, using it how you want, whenever and however you want. Which is the exact opposite of what 95% of what consumers want, for things to just "work". So I think Ubuntu on phones is going to be really awesome for people like me who like to just mess around and try out new things, but I honestly don't see it going anywhere. 10 years from now Ubuntu on the phone is going to be like Ubuntu on the desktop: It's just there and you know, maybe 1 or 2 people, that actually use it. That's my $0.02. Sorry for being an ass but as an average person that's the vibe I'm getting from Ubuntu and Linux (Gos, Debian, Mint) in general.