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Which of these aren’t hate? “The black culture has done more damage [than] the klan ever did” “The Jewish Mafia wants to replace us all with brown people” “Tr

Which of these aren’t hate? “The black culture has done more damage [than] the klan ever did” “The Jewish Mafia wants to replace us all with brown people” “Trannies are pedophiles” “Diversity is a codeword for White Genocide” “Hitler was right”, accompanied by a montage of the former dictator Black people belong “locked in cages at the zoo” LGBTQ+ rights activists need “IRON IN THEIR DIET. Preferably from a #AFiringSquad”

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- xracy 3y ago
  I think what you're describing for "something a racist would very likely say" is called a "Dogwhistle" and the reason it is hateful is that it's absolutely trying to set the bar for what they can get away with saying that's terrible without overstepping the line of what is going to get removed. People understand the basic conceits of public politeness, so racists know they have to put in the smallest amount of work to let other people cover for them. These have not even really met that bar... But it's worth considering how much of this you would accept from say... known klan members? Like, I get that if hate groups say it, it's not inherently hate speech, but at what point do you want to be defending hate groups? I don't feel like I need to get real in the weeds about how what the limit of shit I will put up with from KKK members is... And I think it's disingenuous to suggest we should really get deep in the weeds to iron out exactly how they can walk around the rules. We know who the rulebreakers are, and pretending like we don't until they say something truly egregious is like pretending leopards aren't gonna eat our faces.
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      Yeah... I mean, ultimately it's a private company and it can censor its platform how it wants. This means that it is welcome to include more hate speech, which clearly it is doing. Not arguing that. But I do think it had a better set of standards for this before it came down to the subjective whims of how Musk was feeling on any given day. Also, no one has ever considered misgendering hate speech in any legitimate conversation. If you have examples of people legitimately getting censored for misgendering someone, I would love to see it...
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xracy 3y ago
I think what you're describing for "something a racist would very likely say" is called a "Dogwhistle" and the reason it is hateful is that it's absolutely trying to set the bar for what they can get away with saying that's terrible without overstepping the line of what is going to get removed. People understand the basic conceits of public politeness, so racists know they have to put in the smallest amount of work to let other people cover for them. These have not even really met that bar... But it's worth considering how much of this you would accept from say... known klan members? Like, I get that if hate groups say it, it's not inherently hate speech, but at what point do you want to be defending hate groups? I don't feel like I need to get real in the weeds about how what the limit of shit I will put up with from KKK members is... And I think it's disingenuous to suggest we should really get deep in the weeds to iron out exactly how they can walk around the rules. We know who the rulebreakers are, and pretending like we don't until they say something truly egregious is like pretending leopards aren't gonna eat our faces.
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    Yeah... I mean, ultimately it's a private company and it can censor its platform how it wants. This means that it is welcome to include more hate speech, which clearly it is doing. Not arguing that. But I do think it had a better set of standards for this before it came down to the subjective whims of how Musk was feeling on any given day. Also, no one has ever considered misgendering hate speech in any legitimate conversation. If you have examples of people legitimately getting censored for misgendering someone, I would love to see it...
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