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> This pervasive atmosphere is nowhere to be seen in the pictures You could have just asked any survivor of these times. As yourself: would you write a simila

> This pervasive atmosphere is nowhere to be seen in the pictures You could have just asked any survivor of these times. As yourself: would you write a similar comment about Nazi Germany? May be you would consider it insensitive to the millions of its victims? Well, your comment about USSR is insensitive exactly for the same reasons. I was born in that country, many members of my family have had to survive through it, and many didn't — just as many others have been killed by the Nazis. And westerners who, out of mistrust to their government, begin to whitewash Soviet union make my blood boil. You're as bad as holocaust deniers.

flohofwoe 3y ago
> would you write a similar comment about Nazi Germany? This is spot on, if anything, the 'grandiose' May-parade photos remind me of 1930's Nazi Germany (and back then - before Germany invaded Poland - there was a similar fascination in some corners of western society with this sort of aesthetics).
- golergka 3y ago
  The more you study fascism and communism, the more you realize it’s exactly the same thing with different branding. Of course, they're also each other's worst enemies, just like Coca-Cola and Pepsi are.
  - pastacacioepepe 3y ago
    > it’s exactly the same thing with different branding Yet capitalists will consistenly pick fascism, when given the choice. Pretty weird, considering it's exactly the same thing. You are conflating fascism and communism with authoritarianism. A more in depth and unbiased study might give you the ability to grasp such subtle differences.
    - golergka 3y ago
      > Yet capitalists will consistenly pick fascism, when given the choice. No, capitalists choose laissez-faire. What you are referring to are state capitalists, and they are essentially the same everywhere: whether it’s Mikoyan in the USSR, Gustav Krupp in Nazi Germany, or Dick Cheney in the United States. They all utilize the state’s monopoly on violence to maintain their economic control.
      - jonathankoren 3y ago
        I’m happy to learn Peter Thiel and Elon Musk are not True Capitalists(tm).
    - flohofwoe 3y ago
      How does that idea fit with real-world China which runs a state-capitalist economy under an authoritarian communist rule? You are right though that authoritarianism seems to be a pre-condition both for communist and fascist regimes.
      - pastacacioepepe 3y ago
        How does that idea fit with real-world China which runs a state-capitalist economy under an authoritarian communist rule? China has done what needed to be done to realize what is an unprecedented economic miracle, especially considering it's a socialist country surrounded by a hostile capitalist world. They chose to be pragmatic and it worked incredibly well. While China certainly has capitalists and bilionaires, they are kept in check. China also set a 2050 target to fully transition to socialism. You are right though that authoritarianism seems to be a pre-condition both for communist and fascist regimes. Every society has a ruling class. In fascist societies it's the military together with the capital, in liberal societies it's the bourgeoisie, in socialist societies it's the working class. Authoritarian societies use force to maintain order, liberal societies use the illusion of choice. When that doesn't work, they promptly revert to force as everyone else.
        flohofwoe 3y ago
        > They also set a 2050 target to fully transition to socialism. Lol, that sounds strangely familiar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_socialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_socialism > in socialist societies it's the working class Do you really believe this? All socialist countries so far ended up very quickly (or more likely: started with) being ruled by a very small elite comprised of the top of a single political party. Ah but of course I know - those weren't actually socialist societies but authoritarian regimes in diguise, but next time it will work you'll see! Jesus Christ...
        jonathankoren 3y ago
        His link to 100+ page book doesn’t even claim “full socialism”. He’s just a tank.
    - TheGigaChad 3y ago
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flohofwoe 3y ago

> would you write a similar comment about Nazi Germany? This is spot on, if anything, the 'grandiose' May-parade photos remind me of 1930's Nazi Germany (and back then - before Germany invaded Poland - there was a similar fascination in some corners of western society with this sort of aesthetics).

golergka 3y ago
The more you study fascism and communism, the more you realize it’s exactly the same thing with different branding. Of course, they're also each other's worst enemies, just like Coca-Cola and Pepsi are.
- pastacacioepepe 3y ago
  > it’s exactly the same thing with different branding Yet capitalists will consistenly pick fascism, when given the choice. Pretty weird, considering it's exactly the same thing. You are conflating fascism and communism with authoritarianism. A more in depth and unbiased study might give you the ability to grasp such subtle differences.
  - golergka 3y ago
    > Yet capitalists will consistenly pick fascism, when given the choice. No, capitalists choose laissez-faire. What you are referring to are state capitalists, and they are essentially the same everywhere: whether it’s Mikoyan in the USSR, Gustav Krupp in Nazi Germany, or Dick Cheney in the United States. They all utilize the state’s monopoly on violence to maintain their economic control.
    - jonathankoren 3y ago
      I’m happy to learn Peter Thiel and Elon Musk are not True Capitalists(tm).
  - flohofwoe 3y ago
    How does that idea fit with real-world China which runs a state-capitalist economy under an authoritarian communist rule? You are right though that authoritarianism seems to be a pre-condition both for communist and fascist regimes.
    - pastacacioepepe 3y ago
      How does that idea fit with real-world China which runs a state-capitalist economy under an authoritarian communist rule? China has done what needed to be done to realize what is an unprecedented economic miracle, especially considering it's a socialist country surrounded by a hostile capitalist world. They chose to be pragmatic and it worked incredibly well. While China certainly has capitalists and bilionaires, they are kept in check. China also set a 2050 target to fully transition to socialism. You are right though that authoritarianism seems to be a pre-condition both for communist and fascist regimes. Every society has a ruling class. In fascist societies it's the military together with the capital, in liberal societies it's the bourgeoisie, in socialist societies it's the working class. Authoritarian societies use force to maintain order, liberal societies use the illusion of choice. When that doesn't work, they promptly revert to force as everyone else.
      - flohofwoe 3y ago
        > They also set a 2050 target to fully transition to socialism. Lol, that sounds strangely familiar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_socialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_socialism > in socialist societies it's the working class Do you really believe this? All socialist countries so far ended up very quickly (or more likely: started with) being ruled by a very small elite comprised of the top of a single political party. Ah but of course I know - those weren't actually socialist societies but authoritarian regimes in diguise, but next time it will work you'll see! Jesus Christ...
        jonathankoren 3y ago
        His link to 100+ page book doesn’t even claim “full socialism”. He’s just a tank.
  - TheGigaChad 3y ago
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