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"annual hollow ritual" What exactly makes it hollow? "to genocide" Now this was hollow. Or do you call war crimes perpetrated in Afghanistan by the US and it

by gdy 3y ago

"annual hollow ritual" What exactly makes it hollow? "to genocide" Now this was hollow. Or do you call war crimes perpetrated in Afghanistan by the US and its allies [0][1] a genocide too? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brereton_Report https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brereton_Report [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_Afghanistan#NATO_and_allies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_Afghanistan#NATO...

ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
Even more whataboutism to get back on topic: russian soldiers have been found by UN war crimes investigators to have raped, tortured, and murdered men, women, and children as young as 4, in areas of Ukraine russia controls[0] (this child rape by russians is in addition to genociding Ukrainians in general -- and I'm not referring to russian deportation of Crimean Tatars [1], or russian killing of millions of Ukrainians in the Holodomor [2]) [0]: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-troops-raped-tortured-children-ukraine-un-panel-says-rcna49168 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-troops-raped-tort... [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tatars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tat... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
- gdy 3y ago
  "children as young as 4" This reminds me of something [0]. "In her testimony, Nayirah claimed that after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait she had witnessed Iraqi soldiers take babies out of incubators in a Kuwaiti hospital, remove the incubators and leave the babies to die." [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony
dragonwriter 3y ago
> What exactly makes it hollow? The fact that it is nonbinding resolution ritually offered every year, connected to no substantive action. > Or do you call war crimes perpetrated in Afghanistan by the US and its allies a genocide too? No, because “genocide” has a definition, and its not synonymous with the broader category of “war crimes”. Attempts to destroy a people as a people, as Russia is fairly overtly doing in Ukraine (accompanied by propaganda, as such efforts often are, denying that the identity sought to be destroyed is legitimate) is genocide. Other war crimes – which Russia is also committing Ukraine – are, well, other war crimes.
- gdy 3y ago
  "“genocide” has a definition" That's a good starting point. "Attempts to destroy a people as a people, as Russia is fairly overtly doing in Ukraine" Here is the definition [0]. Now what Russian actions fit it? [0] https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml
- gdy 3y ago
  "it is nonbinding resolution" All General Assembly resolutions are nonbinding. Including all of them that condemn the war in the Ukraine. "ritually" That's your perception. "connected to no substantive action" You might ask Ukraine why doesn't it follow the resolution and doesn't take any actions to stop rehabilitating Nazi collaborators. [0] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36175047 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36175047

by gdy 3y ago

ImPostingOnHN 3y ago

Even more whataboutism to get back on topic: russian soldiers have been found by UN war crimes investigators to have raped, tortured, and murdered men, women, and children as young as 4, in areas of Ukraine russia controls[0] (this child rape by russians is in addition to genociding Ukrainians in general -- and I'm not referring to russian deportation of Crimean Tatars [1], or russian killing of millions of Ukrainians in the Holodomor [2]) [0]: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-troops-raped-tortured-children-ukraine-un-panel-says-rcna49168 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-troops-raped-tort... [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tatars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tat... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

gdy 3y ago
"children as young as 4" This reminds me of something [0]. "In her testimony, Nayirah claimed that after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait she had witnessed Iraqi soldiers take babies out of incubators in a Kuwaiti hospital, remove the incubators and leave the babies to die." [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

dragonwriter 3y ago

> What exactly makes it hollow? The fact that it is nonbinding resolution ritually offered every year, connected to no substantive action. > Or do you call war crimes perpetrated in Afghanistan by the US and its allies a genocide too? No, because “genocide” has a definition, and its not synonymous with the broader category of “war crimes”. Attempts to destroy a people as a people, as Russia is fairly overtly doing in Ukraine (accompanied by propaganda, as such efforts often are, denying that the identity sought to be destroyed is legitimate) is genocide. Other war crimes – which Russia is also committing Ukraine – are, well, other war crimes.

gdy 3y ago
"“genocide” has a definition" That's a good starting point. "Attempts to destroy a people as a people, as Russia is fairly overtly doing in Ukraine" Here is the definition [0]. Now what Russian actions fit it? [0] https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml
gdy 3y ago
"it is nonbinding resolution" All General Assembly resolutions are nonbinding. Including all of them that condemn the war in the Ukraine. "ritually" That's your perception. "connected to no substantive action" You might ask Ukraine why doesn't it follow the resolution and doesn't take any actions to stop rehabilitating Nazi collaborators. [0] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36175047 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36175047