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Venom, Solid, Solidus, Liquid, and Naked Snake are all different people. Naked becomes Big Boss. Solid, Solidus, Liquid are clones of Big Boss. Venom thinks he'

by swexbe 3y ago

Venom, Solid, Solidus, Liquid, and Naked Snake are all different people. Naked becomes Big Boss. Solid, Solidus, Liquid are clones of Big Boss. Venom thinks he's Big Boss. I don't understand what's so confusing? :)

generichuman 3y ago
Also don't forget that Venom went under surgery to look exactly like Big Boss.
imiric 3y ago
Ah, TIL, thanks. But they all should look like Big Boss then? Considering the reply to your comment that Venom underwent plastic surgery... Kojima may be a genius game designer, but he's an awful writer IMO. None of his lore makes sense, and is only convoluted for it be served in exposition dumps in hour-long cutscenes. Death Stranding is a prime example of that. I enjoyed playing it, but can't remember a thing about the motivation of any of the characters.
- filoleg 3y ago
  > But they all should look like Big Boss then? Not quite, because they were not all direct clones the way we think of cloning in real life, because in the Metal Gear universe, they could do "selective cloning". I forgot the details of how exactly they described it (and I haven't played beyond MGS3 yet). But in MGS, Liquid and Solid have a conversation about it, where Liquid insinuates that they took the "best genes" of Big Boss to clone Solid (who actually looks like Big Boss), and used the remaining "weak genes" to clone Liquid. I would bet that this whole explanation is also sprinkled with a bit of nanomachines-related lore in the later games. Also, their differences in looks could be explained by environmental factors and style choices. I would argue that Solidus looks just like Big Boss and Solid, but aged, more muscular, and with different facial hair.
  - tourmalinetaco 3y ago
    Actually, Solid being the better clone and Liquid being inferior is unreliable narration on Liquid’s part. He was led to believe so, but Revolver Ocelot contradicts him later on. Revolver Ocelot: "Yes. The inferior one was the winner after all. ...That's right. Until the very end, Liquid thought he was the inferior one."
    - filoleg 3y ago
      Yeah, I just wanted to avoid spoiling anything more than was strictly necessary, for those who are curious and might consider playing it. Inbefore someone says "it is an old game", I beat MGS 1+2 just a couple years ago for the first time ever, and I usually am more into newer games. Still looking forward to play MGS3 and the rest of the series in the future.

by swexbe 3y ago

generichuman 3y ago

Also don't forget that Venom went under surgery to look exactly like Big Boss.

imiric 3y ago

Ah, TIL, thanks. But they all should look like Big Boss then? Considering the reply to your comment that Venom underwent plastic surgery... Kojima may be a genius game designer, but he's an awful writer IMO. None of his lore makes sense, and is only convoluted for it be served in exposition dumps in hour-long cutscenes. Death Stranding is a prime example of that. I enjoyed playing it, but can't remember a thing about the motivation of any of the characters.

filoleg 3y ago
> But they all should look like Big Boss then? Not quite, because they were not all direct clones the way we think of cloning in real life, because in the Metal Gear universe, they could do "selective cloning". I forgot the details of how exactly they described it (and I haven't played beyond MGS3 yet). But in MGS, Liquid and Solid have a conversation about it, where Liquid insinuates that they took the "best genes" of Big Boss to clone Solid (who actually looks like Big Boss), and used the remaining "weak genes" to clone Liquid. I would bet that this whole explanation is also sprinkled with a bit of nanomachines-related lore in the later games. Also, their differences in looks could be explained by environmental factors and style choices. I would argue that Solidus looks just like Big Boss and Solid, but aged, more muscular, and with different facial hair.
- tourmalinetaco 3y ago
  Actually, Solid being the better clone and Liquid being inferior is unreliable narration on Liquid’s part. He was led to believe so, but Revolver Ocelot contradicts him later on. Revolver Ocelot: "Yes. The inferior one was the winner after all. ...That's right. Until the very end, Liquid thought he was the inferior one."
  - filoleg 3y ago
    Yeah, I just wanted to avoid spoiling anything more than was strictly necessary, for those who are curious and might consider playing it. Inbefore someone says "it is an old game", I beat MGS 1+2 just a couple years ago for the first time ever, and I usually am more into newer games. Still looking forward to play MGS3 and the rest of the series in the future.