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Anyone familiar with the governmental policies of Brazil? They mentioned deforestation twice to say that it's not a problem because this will be done on existin

Anyone familiar with the governmental policies of Brazil? They mentioned deforestation twice to say that it's not a problem because this will be done on existing farmland. But, how long that will hold when there's money to be made?

uoaei 3y ago
If Bolsonaro were still in charge I'd be concerned but Lula is an advocate of indigenous communities so I'm not as worried. There is still plenty of corruption and schemers who will poach land but they won't have a bright green light like they would have before Lula was elected.
- fijiaarone 3y ago
  Indigenous communities would rather grow wheat and raise cattle and sell timber than pose in grass skirts and lip rings for exploitive camera crews.
- matheusmoreira 3y ago
  You should be more concerned now. Deforestation is a lot higher now with Lula in power. He's also making moves that sideline the environmental agenda. Ironic, isn't it?
  - uoaei 3y ago
    Source? Sibling comment has an article that says the opposite. And anyway, the Amazon is huge so land poachers are hard to detect and catch in real time. It's much more likely that poachers feel a time crunch that wasn't as tight under Bolsonaro since he gave them free rein.
    - matheusmoreira 3y ago
      https://www.gov.br/mma/pt-br/analise-dos-alertas-de-desmatamento-na-amazonia-legal-jan-fev-2023 https://www.gov.br/mma/pt-br/analise-dos-alertas-de-desmatam... Haven't found good english sources newer than 2020. Sibling article you mentioned says nothing about amazon deforestation. It's about indigenous people's land rights.
- pelasaco 3y ago
  LOL. Wake up dude. Lula and Bolsonaro are both different sides from the same coin. Lula just does his demagogy, while knowing the Parlament will block such laws: https://www.npr.org/2023/05/31/1179168180/brazil-indigenous-land-law-protest https://www.npr.org/2023/05/31/1179168180/brazil-indigenous-...
  - uoaei 3y ago
    Faacinating. You've linked to an article that shows Lula is acting in accordance with Indigenous demands, and that the Senate is the one limiting their land rights. But then you say Lula is the problem. Sounds like unfounded scapegoating to me.
    - pelasaco 3y ago
      I guess you know nothing about Politics, specially in South America, so i will translate it to you. Lula knows the senate, he knows that there is no way this would be approved, but doing as he did, people like you would believe he wanted to change anything. He has other instruments to change it, if he really wanted. This is simply virtue signaling. Why trust the internet dude? Marina Silva, a strong person in the ecology sector, is probably leaving the government, because of Lula decisions: https://www-estadao-com-br.translate.goog/politica/apos-reuniao-lula-marina-confirma-permanencia-ministerio-elogia-lula-pela-cop-30-nprp/?_x_tr_sl=pt&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://www-estadao-com-br.translate.goog/politica/apos-reun... "Still during a trip to the G-7, in Japan, Lula had already signaled that he could contradict Marina regarding Ibama's refusal to grant a license for Petrobras to drill oil deposits at the mouth of the Amazon River. The project put the head of the Environment on a collision course with the Minister of Mines and Energy, Alexandre Silveira , as shown by Estadão"
      - uoaei 3y ago
        Every single one of the links you post directly contradict your given summaries. You're lying and you're not even very good at it. You're right, why trust the internet, especially anonymous forum commenters with no reputation to uphold?
felipeqq2 3y ago
(I live in Brazil) Since, according to the article, wheat should be planted on already existing crops, I don't think it will be a big issue in the near future. However, soybeans are already a major cause of deforestation, especially in the Midwest, and this extra productivity may boost these activities. I'm not an expert, but working with multiple crops in the same year can also further deplete soil resources, decreasing the overall productivity and increasing deforestation. Brazilian politics is extremely messy right now, and it's hard to tell how we're going to face environmental issues in the near future. The recently-elected president has a strong environmentalist agenda, but is fighting with the Congress and may lose support for pushing forward such legislation.
Qem 3y ago
> They mentioned deforestation twice to say that it's not a problem because this will be done on existing farmland. I'm skeptical of this reasoning. Wheat may be planted on existing farmland. But then where will the previous crops on that farmland be planted? If one changes a bean farm to a wheat farm, but then somebody else slashes and burn Amazon Forest or Pantanal to plant the displaced beans, then we have a net loss.
- joak 3y ago
  Yes, more agriculture means more damage to the Amazon forest. Brazil would also start exporting wheat.
- UncleEntity 3y ago
  > But then where will the previous crops on that farmland be planted? From the article: In the cerrado, wheat is planted from March to June. Soybeans and corn are the main crops from October to February. So, tropical wheat represents an extra source of income for the farmer.

uoaei 3y ago

If Bolsonaro were still in charge I'd be concerned but Lula is an advocate of indigenous communities so I'm not as worried. There is still plenty of corruption and schemers who will poach land but they won't have a bright green light like they would have before Lula was elected.

fijiaarone 3y ago
Indigenous communities would rather grow wheat and raise cattle and sell timber than pose in grass skirts and lip rings for exploitive camera crews.
matheusmoreira 3y ago
You should be more concerned now. Deforestation is a lot higher now with Lula in power. He's also making moves that sideline the environmental agenda. Ironic, isn't it?
- uoaei 3y ago
  Source? Sibling comment has an article that says the opposite. And anyway, the Amazon is huge so land poachers are hard to detect and catch in real time. It's much more likely that poachers feel a time crunch that wasn't as tight under Bolsonaro since he gave them free rein.
  - matheusmoreira 3y ago
    https://www.gov.br/mma/pt-br/analise-dos-alertas-de-desmatamento-na-amazonia-legal-jan-fev-2023 https://www.gov.br/mma/pt-br/analise-dos-alertas-de-desmatam... Haven't found good english sources newer than 2020. Sibling article you mentioned says nothing about amazon deforestation. It's about indigenous people's land rights.
pelasaco 3y ago
LOL. Wake up dude. Lula and Bolsonaro are both different sides from the same coin. Lula just does his demagogy, while knowing the Parlament will block such laws: https://www.npr.org/2023/05/31/1179168180/brazil-indigenous-land-law-protest https://www.npr.org/2023/05/31/1179168180/brazil-indigenous-...
- uoaei 3y ago
  Faacinating. You've linked to an article that shows Lula is acting in accordance with Indigenous demands, and that the Senate is the one limiting their land rights. But then you say Lula is the problem. Sounds like unfounded scapegoating to me.
  - pelasaco 3y ago
    I guess you know nothing about Politics, specially in South America, so i will translate it to you. Lula knows the senate, he knows that there is no way this would be approved, but doing as he did, people like you would believe he wanted to change anything. He has other instruments to change it, if he really wanted. This is simply virtue signaling. Why trust the internet dude? Marina Silva, a strong person in the ecology sector, is probably leaving the government, because of Lula decisions: https://www-estadao-com-br.translate.goog/politica/apos-reuniao-lula-marina-confirma-permanencia-ministerio-elogia-lula-pela-cop-30-nprp/?_x_tr_sl=pt&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://www-estadao-com-br.translate.goog/politica/apos-reun... "Still during a trip to the G-7, in Japan, Lula had already signaled that he could contradict Marina regarding Ibama's refusal to grant a license for Petrobras to drill oil deposits at the mouth of the Amazon River. The project put the head of the Environment on a collision course with the Minister of Mines and Energy, Alexandre Silveira , as shown by Estadão"
    - uoaei 3y ago
      Every single one of the links you post directly contradict your given summaries. You're lying and you're not even very good at it. You're right, why trust the internet, especially anonymous forum commenters with no reputation to uphold?

felipeqq2 3y ago

(I live in Brazil) Since, according to the article, wheat should be planted on already existing crops, I don't think it will be a big issue in the near future. However, soybeans are already a major cause of deforestation, especially in the Midwest, and this extra productivity may boost these activities. I'm not an expert, but working with multiple crops in the same year can also further deplete soil resources, decreasing the overall productivity and increasing deforestation. Brazilian politics is extremely messy right now, and it's hard to tell how we're going to face environmental issues in the near future. The recently-elected president has a strong environmentalist agenda, but is fighting with the Congress and may lose support for pushing forward such legislation.

Qem 3y ago

> They mentioned deforestation twice to say that it's not a problem because this will be done on existing farmland. I'm skeptical of this reasoning. Wheat may be planted on existing farmland. But then where will the previous crops on that farmland be planted? If one changes a bean farm to a wheat farm, but then somebody else slashes and burn Amazon Forest or Pantanal to plant the displaced beans, then we have a net loss.

joak 3y ago
Yes, more agriculture means more damage to the Amazon forest. Brazil would also start exporting wheat.
UncleEntity 3y ago
> But then where will the previous crops on that farmland be planted? From the article: In the cerrado, wheat is planted from March to June. Soybeans and corn are the main crops from October to February. So, tropical wheat represents an extra source of income for the farmer.