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Self-sufficiency is not a real metric when it comes to commodities. Wheat sells at the market rate to whoever buys it.

by tootie 3y ago

ouid 3y ago
markets are a construct of peacetime. self-sufficiency is not
- pfd1986 3y ago
  Quote from anywhere in particular?
- lostlogin 3y ago
  Turning a country into an international prepper would be useful in the worst case scenario, but it’s expensive option that is unlikely to be needed. Isolationism is part of this and I’d argue this makes conflict more likely, not less.
myth2018 3y ago
Wheat prices fluctuate according to USD/BRL rates and this is one of the reasons Brazilian inflation gets significantly affected by exchange rates -- which is expected, considering how many basic products, like bread, depend on wheat. The prices will still fluctuate like you said, but a local production can give the country some autonomy to design policies and attenuate the impact.
Barrin92 3y ago
self sufficiency in food is pretty much the most fundamental basis of political autonomy for any nation. It's honestly harder to imagine a 'real metric'
ClumsyPilot 3y ago
So you learnt no lessons from over-reliance on Russian gas, which has caused widespread misery in Europe. What do you think will happen if there is major crop failure and food shortages? These free-market extremists don't know when to stop, they have caused more damage than the Taliban.
- lostlogin 3y ago
  > Russian gas, which has caused widespread misery in Europe. I agree with you cynicism about the free market, but the situation with Russian gas turned out way better than was feared. Party this was due to a mild winter but the forecasts were very grim for a while there.
  - doctor_eval 3y ago
    In matters like this, it’s not what actually happened, but what might have happened, that is important.
    - brabel 3y ago
      They are responding to a factual statement: "... caused widespread misery in Europe". I live in Europe and have to laugh at that. The misery they're talking about is a 2x increase in the electric bill, which some of the richer governments (e.g. Sweden) paid back to most consumers (I got two paybacks so far, making my electric bill for the year about the same as the year before, I would say). If they think this is "misery", I think the commenter has absolutely never seen anything even close to real misery.
- fijiaarone 3y ago
  Trade isn’t the problem. War is.

Self-sufficiency is not a real metric when it comes to commodities. Wheat sells at the market rate to whoever buys it.

by tootie 3y ago

Self-sufficiency is not a real metric when it comes to commodities. Wheat sells at the market rate to whoever buys it.

ouid 3y ago

markets are a construct of peacetime. self-sufficiency is not

pfd1986 3y ago
Quote from anywhere in particular?
lostlogin 3y ago
Turning a country into an international prepper would be useful in the worst case scenario, but it’s expensive option that is unlikely to be needed. Isolationism is part of this and I’d argue this makes conflict more likely, not less.

myth2018 3y ago

Wheat prices fluctuate according to USD/BRL rates and this is one of the reasons Brazilian inflation gets significantly affected by exchange rates -- which is expected, considering how many basic products, like bread, depend on wheat. The prices will still fluctuate like you said, but a local production can give the country some autonomy to design policies and attenuate the impact.

Barrin92 3y ago

self sufficiency in food is pretty much the most fundamental basis of political autonomy for any nation. It's honestly harder to imagine a 'real metric'

ClumsyPilot 3y ago

So you learnt no lessons from over-reliance on Russian gas, which has caused widespread misery in Europe. What do you think will happen if there is major crop failure and food shortages? These free-market extremists don't know when to stop, they have caused more damage than the Taliban.

lostlogin 3y ago
> Russian gas, which has caused widespread misery in Europe. I agree with you cynicism about the free market, but the situation with Russian gas turned out way better than was feared. Party this was due to a mild winter but the forecasts were very grim for a while there.
- doctor_eval 3y ago
  In matters like this, it’s not what actually happened, but what might have happened, that is important.
  - brabel 3y ago
    They are responding to a factual statement: "... caused widespread misery in Europe". I live in Europe and have to laugh at that. The misery they're talking about is a 2x increase in the electric bill, which some of the richer governments (e.g. Sweden) paid back to most consumers (I got two paybacks so far, making my electric bill for the year about the same as the year before, I would say). If they think this is "misery", I think the commenter has absolutely never seen anything even close to real misery.
fijiaarone 3y ago
Trade isn’t the problem. War is.