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Why are all the lofty examples from countries that are hostile to refugees/immigrants like Scandinavian countries. Would love to hear examples of great public

Why are all the lofty examples from countries that are hostile to refugees/immigrants like Scandinavian countries. Would love to hear examples of great public welfare/healthcare programs from countries that accepts 6 million refugees / year like USA. In my head these are two opposing goals but curious to know if there are counterexamples.

patall 3y ago
I think you are mistaken, though I do not know how. Scandinavian countries accept quite many immigrants. I.e Sweden in 2022: 3.6/1000, compared to US (2020!): 3/1000. Both sources from wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Sweden https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Sweden and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_S...
- dangwhy 3y ago
  > I think you are mistaken, though I do not know how. see my comment here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36172283 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36172283
OpieCunningham 3y ago
The US accepted 22,645 refugees in 2022. Since 1990 the U.S. has accepted, on average, roughly 75,000 per year. In 2021, the US accepted 11,411 refugees (approx. 1 refugee per 28,900 citizens), and Finland accepted 1,282 refugees (approx. 1 refugee per 4,300 citizens). * https://www.statista.com/statistics/200061/number-of-refugees-arriving-in-the-us/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/200061/number-of-refugee... * https://www.worlddata.info/europe/finland/asylum.php https://www.worlddata.info/europe/finland/asylum.php
- dangwhy 3y ago
  Sorry my original number was slightly off. 2.76 border crossings in 2022 . I know there might be dups in this number but there are also crossings that are unaccounted for. There are also 1 million visa overstays/yr. This is on top of 1 million legal immigrants. Rough math is 3 million just for refugees ( ppl who cross the border apply for refugee status). All this not event accounting for hundreds thousands of work visas, millions of ppl living in usa in legal immigration queues, birthright tourism ect ect. But I think no one really has any idea what the actual number is. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/migrant-border-crossings-fiscal-year-2022-topped-276-million-breaking-rcna53517 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/migrant-border-... https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/04/real-immigration-crisis-people-overstaying-their-visas/587485/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/04/re... https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/chinese-national-pleads-guilty-running-birth-tourism-scheme-helped-aliens-give-birth-us https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/chinese-national-pleads...
ransom1538 3y ago
Well, also sprinkle in thousands of pounds of cheap fentanyl and dealer networks.

patall 3y ago

I think you are mistaken, though I do not know how. Scandinavian countries accept quite many immigrants. I.e Sweden in 2022: 3.6/1000, compared to US (2020!): 3/1000. Both sources from wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Sweden https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Sweden and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_S...

dangwhy 3y ago
> I think you are mistaken, though I do not know how. see my comment here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36172283 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36172283

OpieCunningham 3y ago

The US accepted 22,645 refugees in 2022. Since 1990 the U.S. has accepted, on average, roughly 75,000 per year. In 2021, the US accepted 11,411 refugees (approx. 1 refugee per 28,900 citizens), and Finland accepted 1,282 refugees (approx. 1 refugee per 4,300 citizens). * https://www.statista.com/statistics/200061/number-of-refugees-arriving-in-the-us/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/200061/number-of-refugee... * https://www.worlddata.info/europe/finland/asylum.php https://www.worlddata.info/europe/finland/asylum.php

dangwhy 3y ago
Sorry my original number was slightly off. 2.76 border crossings in 2022 . I know there might be dups in this number but there are also crossings that are unaccounted for. There are also 1 million visa overstays/yr. This is on top of 1 million legal immigrants. Rough math is 3 million just for refugees ( ppl who cross the border apply for refugee status). All this not event accounting for hundreds thousands of work visas, millions of ppl living in usa in legal immigration queues, birthright tourism ect ect. But I think no one really has any idea what the actual number is. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/migrant-border-crossings-fiscal-year-2022-topped-276-million-breaking-rcna53517 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/migrant-border-... https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/04/real-immigration-crisis-people-overstaying-their-visas/587485/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/04/re... https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/chinese-national-pleads-guilty-running-birth-tourism-scheme-helped-aliens-give-birth-us https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/chinese-national-pleads...

ransom1538 3y ago

Well, also sprinkle in thousands of pounds of cheap fentanyl and dealer networks.