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There is only one party in the US: Business Money. There are two different culture war teams to keep everyone distracted from that fact.

kristopolous 3y ago
I've long suspected with a bit of repackaging, many of the Republican voters could be sold on a pretty socialist platform and, counterintuitively, more of them than on the Democrat side. Morality, fiscal responsibility, small government, local control, you can paint policies like a city chartering its own bank, community banking, cooperative retail, housing trusts etc with the same brush. You can even package say, free college in terms of competition, industry, and nationalism. Call it something like "America winning" or "Competitive Edge" instead of "free college". Instead of being a student, you're "serving your county". It's an easy parlay. I'm surprised I don't see it more. I'm guessing the people attempting that gambit don't get the millions needed to run the campaigns.
- matchbok 3y ago
  The assumption that people oppose these socialist ideas because of branding and not because of the empirical evidence that they don't work is an humble take.
  - kristopolous 3y ago
    Empirical studies show the opposite unless you want to swallow fabrications and lies by the likes of the AEI or the heritage foundation. They only exist to manufacture bullshit. They need their own journals and publications because the sponsored content they call research can't stand up to academic scrutiny. They'll flip flop on their "conclusions" all the time because different people pay their bills. They start from an ideological position, which is based on who is paying them, and then work backwards using reactionary arguments, misrepresenting statistics and sometimes just straight up fraud I can't emphasize this enough. Think tanks are private propaganda factories and that's literally it. They're peddlers of agenda and ideology who are not concerned with reality.
    - matchbok 3y ago
      You can say the same exact thing for the other side. :/
      - jeremyjh 3y ago
        He just said all think tanks.
        kristopolous 3y ago
        And I meant it. Calling it "the other side" is a false dichotomy. There's certainly advocacy groups like Sea Shepherd but they don't wear cloaks of subterfuge to try to distance themselves from their structure and purpose like say, the heartland institute which among other things, was, at the time secretly, funded by Philip Morris to deny that smoking had health impacts. That's a different class of spin. But sure, the Brookings institution is mostly neoliberal radical centrist, fine. They are however, vast majority, on the right side of the spectrum and all the various flavors of right https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_think_tanks_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_think_tanks_in_the_U...
        matchbok 3y ago
        Well then I guess the other side operates on social media/etc and pushes ideas like we should give up our public spaces to homeless encampments and police aren't necessary. Or things like rent control, all of which do not work, ever. I don't think the reason "leftist" policies fail to gain traction is because of think tanks; the ideas are just bad and reek of armchair socialism/virtue signaling.
        kristopolous 3y ago
        No. Incorrect. Those are intentional willful misrepresentations manufactured by right wing propaganda. You have been tricked about what leftism is by people who have been sued millions and gone to prison for their lies, defamation and crimes. There's nothing to defend in your arguments - they're simply manufactured bullshit.

kristopolous 3y ago

I've long suspected with a bit of repackaging, many of the Republican voters could be sold on a pretty socialist platform and, counterintuitively, more of them than on the Democrat side. Morality, fiscal responsibility, small government, local control, you can paint policies like a city chartering its own bank, community banking, cooperative retail, housing trusts etc with the same brush. You can even package say, free college in terms of competition, industry, and nationalism. Call it something like "America winning" or "Competitive Edge" instead of "free college". Instead of being a student, you're "serving your county". It's an easy parlay. I'm surprised I don't see it more. I'm guessing the people attempting that gambit don't get the millions needed to run the campaigns.

matchbok 3y ago
The assumption that people oppose these socialist ideas because of branding and not because of the empirical evidence that they don't work is an humble take.
- kristopolous 3y ago
  Empirical studies show the opposite unless you want to swallow fabrications and lies by the likes of the AEI or the heritage foundation. They only exist to manufacture bullshit. They need their own journals and publications because the sponsored content they call research can't stand up to academic scrutiny. They'll flip flop on their "conclusions" all the time because different people pay their bills. They start from an ideological position, which is based on who is paying them, and then work backwards using reactionary arguments, misrepresenting statistics and sometimes just straight up fraud I can't emphasize this enough. Think tanks are private propaganda factories and that's literally it. They're peddlers of agenda and ideology who are not concerned with reality.
  - matchbok 3y ago
    You can say the same exact thing for the other side. :/
    - jeremyjh 3y ago
      He just said all think tanks.
      - kristopolous 3y ago
        And I meant it. Calling it "the other side" is a false dichotomy. There's certainly advocacy groups like Sea Shepherd but they don't wear cloaks of subterfuge to try to distance themselves from their structure and purpose like say, the heartland institute which among other things, was, at the time secretly, funded by Philip Morris to deny that smoking had health impacts. That's a different class of spin. But sure, the Brookings institution is mostly neoliberal radical centrist, fine. They are however, vast majority, on the right side of the spectrum and all the various flavors of right https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_think_tanks_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_think_tanks_in_the_U...
        matchbok 3y ago
        Well then I guess the other side operates on social media/etc and pushes ideas like we should give up our public spaces to homeless encampments and police aren't necessary. Or things like rent control, all of which do not work, ever. I don't think the reason "leftist" policies fail to gain traction is because of think tanks; the ideas are just bad and reek of armchair socialism/virtue signaling.
        kristopolous 3y ago
        No. Incorrect. Those are intentional willful misrepresentations manufactured by right wing propaganda. You have been tricked about what leftism is by people who have been sued millions and gone to prison for their lies, defamation and crimes. There's nothing to defend in your arguments - they're simply manufactured bullshit.