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The obvious fearmongering and irrationality, especially from so-called "experts", was quite intense and prolific in Canada, too. Even as early as June of 2020,

The obvious fearmongering and irrationality, especially from so-called "experts", was quite intense and prolific in Canada, too. Even as early as June of 2020, the public health authority in Canada's most-populous city (fourth highest population in North America) revealed that the counting of deaths was being done using a methodology that sounds quite dubious: "Individuals who have died with COVID-19, but not as a result of COVID-19 are included in the case counts for COVID-19 deaths in Toronto." https://twitter.com/TOPublicHealth/status/1275888390060285967 https://twitter.com/TOPublicHealth/status/127588839006028596... By mid-2021, we started seeing news reports like the following: "Patients died from neglect, not COVID-19, in Ontario LTC homes, military report finds: ‘All they needed was water and a wipe down’" https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-canadian-military-report-documents-deplorable-conditions-at-two/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-canadian-mili... Stuff like that was just the tip of the iceberg. Sadly, the widespread foolishness continued throughout Canada for most of 2022. Even now, there are still remnants of it remaining in some cases, along with the irreparable long-term harm caused by the numerous unjustifiable policies put in place then.

zvmaz 3y ago
> The obvious fearmongering and irrationality, especially from so-called "experts", was quite intense and prolific in Canada, too. So much death and suffering and bereavement and sorrow the scale of which I have never witnessed in my entire life and I still read comments like these. Baffling! A more serious take: excess deaths worldwide put us at 20+ millions deaths [1]. [1] https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-estimates https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-...
- FrustratedMonky 3y ago
  Yeah, all the people saying this was a 'cold', what about all the dead? What do you mean we overreacted, or it was fake, or a conspiracy? Look at all the dead, how do you ignore that.
- gordian-mind 3y ago
  This is bogus data, they took the officially reported numbers -- which were insane because they reported 'covid deaths' without taking into account comorbidities --, and quadrupled them for 'reasons'. > So much death and suffering and bereavement and sorrow the scale of which I have never witnessed in my entire life and I still read comments like these. Baffling! You should be ashamed of yourself for this hyperbole, you people have ruined many young people's lives for nothing, the least you could do is apologize. And this habit of constantly looking for numbers that are always wrong and feeding into your taste for impending doom is the greatest setback to science and the rational spirit I have ever witnessed in my entire life.
  - thatfrenchguy 3y ago
    This is looking at total excess deaths. Those numbers are reliable, esp in middle to high income countries, because you're looking at the total deaths. See https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Excess_mortality_-_statistics https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php... for example.
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  - FrustratedMonky 3y ago
    You can clearly look at year-over-year statistics and see the increased death count. What do you think caused it? An increase in eye-sight-related car accidents? All the people complaining about 'comorbidities' don't understand how cause of death is reported. When someone has Cancer, but dies from Pneumonia, should they list Cancer or the Pneumonia? All diseases have some 'comorbidities'. But if they didn't have Covid they would be alive. So Shame on you.
    - wizee 3y ago
      There were a lot of people avoiding medical treatment or diagnosis out of fear of Covid at hospitals and medical clinics, and this led to extensive delays in elective surgeries and delayed diagnosis of medical conditions such as cancer. Thus, fear of Covid resulted in numerous excess deaths. There were other factors too, like increased traffic deaths due to increased reckless driving due to emptier roads due to pandemic lockdowns. It's also disingenuous to say that all deaths of people who had Covid were due to Covid. Many of them who caught Covid while in hospital for serious conditions would have died regardless of Covid.
- superooled 3y ago
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zvmaz 3y ago

> The obvious fearmongering and irrationality, especially from so-called "experts", was quite intense and prolific in Canada, too. So much death and suffering and bereavement and sorrow the scale of which I have never witnessed in my entire life and I still read comments like these. Baffling! A more serious take: excess deaths worldwide put us at 20+ millions deaths [1]. [1] https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-estimates https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-...

FrustratedMonky 3y ago
Yeah, all the people saying this was a 'cold', what about all the dead? What do you mean we overreacted, or it was fake, or a conspiracy? Look at all the dead, how do you ignore that.
gordian-mind 3y ago
This is bogus data, they took the officially reported numbers -- which were insane because they reported 'covid deaths' without taking into account comorbidities --, and quadrupled them for 'reasons'. > So much death and suffering and bereavement and sorrow the scale of which I have never witnessed in my entire life and I still read comments like these. Baffling! You should be ashamed of yourself for this hyperbole, you people have ruined many young people's lives for nothing, the least you could do is apologize. And this habit of constantly looking for numbers that are always wrong and feeding into your taste for impending doom is the greatest setback to science and the rational spirit I have ever witnessed in my entire life.
- thatfrenchguy 3y ago
  This is looking at total excess deaths. Those numbers are reliable, esp in middle to high income countries, because you're looking at the total deaths. See https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Excess_mortality_-_statistics https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php... for example.
- deleted 3y ago
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- FrustratedMonky 3y ago
  You can clearly look at year-over-year statistics and see the increased death count. What do you think caused it? An increase in eye-sight-related car accidents? All the people complaining about 'comorbidities' don't understand how cause of death is reported. When someone has Cancer, but dies from Pneumonia, should they list Cancer or the Pneumonia? All diseases have some 'comorbidities'. But if they didn't have Covid they would be alive. So Shame on you.
  - wizee 3y ago
    There were a lot of people avoiding medical treatment or diagnosis out of fear of Covid at hospitals and medical clinics, and this led to extensive delays in elective surgeries and delayed diagnosis of medical conditions such as cancer. Thus, fear of Covid resulted in numerous excess deaths. There were other factors too, like increased traffic deaths due to increased reckless driving due to emptier roads due to pandemic lockdowns. It's also disingenuous to say that all deaths of people who had Covid were due to Covid. Many of them who caught Covid while in hospital for serious conditions would have died regardless of Covid.
superooled 3y ago
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