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California has a democrat governor, a democrat Lieutenant governor, a state senate that's 80% democrat and a state house that's 75% democrat, and democrat mayor

California has a democrat governor, a democrat Lieutenant governor, a state senate that's 80% democrat and a state house that's 75% democrat, and democrat mayors in all major cities. Conservatives are not the problem.

kristopolous 3y ago
How is policy directed? I'm in Los Angeles and it's mostly by business and real estate interests. Republicans, like Rick Caruso, run as Democrats because that's how you get elected here. It's a meaningless label. They'll do culture war signaling like support for pride month to their Twitter feed but when it comes to actual policy, for instance, the "defunding" of the LAPD which just last month included 780 more police, a new helicopter ... https://knock-la.com/lapd-budget-2023-increase/ https://knock-la.com/lapd-budget-2023-increase/ an increase of $118,000,000, it's a different story. On homelessness, actual leftists advocate for strong regulation on housing costs, bans on speculation, criminalization of landlords who do illegal evictions, seizing of idle real estate for redistributive housing, things like that. You may disagree, but that's what the actual left position is. It's not buying new helicopters for the cops or giving them 100 million to do encampment sweeps where they throw away medication and wheelchairs and then classify it as "homeless abatement". The policy, in practice, is increased money for police, shelters without storage or mail services, encampment sweeps, and a blind eye to landlord and market forces. In a Venn diagram with most conservative approaches, it's a pretty significant crossover.
- jeremyjh 3y ago
  There is only one party in the US: Business Money. There are two different culture war teams to keep everyone distracted from that fact.
  - kristopolous 3y ago
    I've long suspected with a bit of repackaging, many of the Republican voters could be sold on a pretty socialist platform and, counterintuitively, more of them than on the Democrat side. Morality, fiscal responsibility, small government, local control, you can paint policies like a city chartering its own bank, community banking, cooperative retail, housing trusts etc with the same brush. You can even package say, free college in terms of competition, industry, and nationalism. Call it something like "America winning" or "Competitive Edge" instead of "free college". Instead of being a student, you're "serving your county". It's an easy parlay. I'm surprised I don't see it more. I'm guessing the people attempting that gambit don't get the millions needed to run the campaigns.
    - matchbok 3y ago
      The assumption that people oppose these socialist ideas because of branding and not because of the empirical evidence that they don't work is an humble take.
      - kristopolous 3y ago
        Empirical studies show the opposite unless you want to swallow fabrications and lies by the likes of the AEI or the heritage foundation. They only exist to manufacture bullshit. They need their own journals and publications because the sponsored content they call research can't stand up to academic scrutiny. They'll flip flop on their "conclusions" all the time because different people pay their bills. They start from an ideological position, which is based on who is paying them, and then work backwards using reactionary arguments, misrepresenting statistics and sometimes just straight up fraud I can't emphasize this enough. Think tanks are private propaganda factories and that's literally it. They're peddlers of agenda and ideology who are not concerned with reality.
        matchbok 3y ago
        You can say the same exact thing for the other side. :/
        jeremyjh 3y ago
        He just said all think tanks.
        kristopolous 3y ago
        And I meant it. Calling it "the other side" is a false dichotomy. There's certainly advocacy groups like Sea Shepherd but they don't wear cloaks of subterfuge to try to distance themselves from their structure and purpose like say, the heartland institute which among other things, was, at the time secretly, funded by Philip Morris to deny that smoking had health impacts. That's a different class of spin. But sure, the Brookings institution is mostly neoliberal radical centrist, fine. They are however, vast majority, on the right side of the spectrum and all the various flavors of right https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_think_tanks_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_think_tanks_in_the_U...
- matchbok 3y ago
  But still, blaming the issue on conservatives when they make up such a small portion of the state is an odd tactic. Perhaps it could be that some of your proposed "left" positions are just... not popular (or don't work, like rent control or defunding the police). On the other than, CA has the most government rules for housing and "leftist" policies in that regard and it has been nothing but an unmitigated disaster.
ZoomerCretin 3y ago
The Democratic party, especially at the local and state level, is almost always dominated by conservatives. Every election with low turnout skews conservative, and local elections frequently have <10% turnout.
- marcusverus 3y ago
  "State lawmakers also approved SB107, a bill designed to protect out-of-state transgender children and their families from civil and criminal penalties when seeking gender-affirming care."[0] The bill passed the assembly with 60 ayes and 19 nays. It passed the senate with 30 ayes and 9 nays.[1] They also passed anti-firearm legislation to allow private citizens to sue gunmakers.[0] It passed with 52 ayes/21 nays in the assembly and 26 ayes/9 nays in the senate. So California democrats toe the party line and vote with progressives on wedge issues. In what sense are they conservative? [0] https://apnews.com/article/california-gavin-newsom-climate-and-environment-government-politics-db57a00e0a8e4ecdd15e4495166c365f https://apnews.com/article/california-gavin-newsom-climate-a... [1] https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billVotesClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB107 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billVotesClient.xht... [2] https://www.capradio.org/articles/2022/07/22/newsom-signs-first-in-nation-bill-allowing-residents-to-sue-makers-sellers-of-illegal-assault-weapons/ https://www.capradio.org/articles/2022/07/22/newsom-signs-fi... [3] https://openstates.org/ca/bills/20212022/SB1327/ https://openstates.org/ca/bills/20212022/SB1327/
  - ZoomerCretin 3y ago
    In the sense that they do not railroad cities and completely invalidate density-based zoning whose only historical basis is the exclusion of minorities from white neighborhoods.

kristopolous 3y ago

How is policy directed? I'm in Los Angeles and it's mostly by business and real estate interests. Republicans, like Rick Caruso, run as Democrats because that's how you get elected here. It's a meaningless label. They'll do culture war signaling like support for pride month to their Twitter feed but when it comes to actual policy, for instance, the "defunding" of the LAPD which just last month included 780 more police, a new helicopter ... https://knock-la.com/lapd-budget-2023-increase/ https://knock-la.com/lapd-budget-2023-increase/ an increase of $118,000,000, it's a different story. On homelessness, actual leftists advocate for strong regulation on housing costs, bans on speculation, criminalization of landlords who do illegal evictions, seizing of idle real estate for redistributive housing, things like that. You may disagree, but that's what the actual left position is. It's not buying new helicopters for the cops or giving them 100 million to do encampment sweeps where they throw away medication and wheelchairs and then classify it as "homeless abatement". The policy, in practice, is increased money for police, shelters without storage or mail services, encampment sweeps, and a blind eye to landlord and market forces. In a Venn diagram with most conservative approaches, it's a pretty significant crossover.

jeremyjh 3y ago
There is only one party in the US: Business Money. There are two different culture war teams to keep everyone distracted from that fact.
- kristopolous 3y ago
  I've long suspected with a bit of repackaging, many of the Republican voters could be sold on a pretty socialist platform and, counterintuitively, more of them than on the Democrat side. Morality, fiscal responsibility, small government, local control, you can paint policies like a city chartering its own bank, community banking, cooperative retail, housing trusts etc with the same brush. You can even package say, free college in terms of competition, industry, and nationalism. Call it something like "America winning" or "Competitive Edge" instead of "free college". Instead of being a student, you're "serving your county". It's an easy parlay. I'm surprised I don't see it more. I'm guessing the people attempting that gambit don't get the millions needed to run the campaigns.
  - matchbok 3y ago
    The assumption that people oppose these socialist ideas because of branding and not because of the empirical evidence that they don't work is an humble take.
    - kristopolous 3y ago
      Empirical studies show the opposite unless you want to swallow fabrications and lies by the likes of the AEI or the heritage foundation. They only exist to manufacture bullshit. They need their own journals and publications because the sponsored content they call research can't stand up to academic scrutiny. They'll flip flop on their "conclusions" all the time because different people pay their bills. They start from an ideological position, which is based on who is paying them, and then work backwards using reactionary arguments, misrepresenting statistics and sometimes just straight up fraud I can't emphasize this enough. Think tanks are private propaganda factories and that's literally it. They're peddlers of agenda and ideology who are not concerned with reality.
      - matchbok 3y ago
        You can say the same exact thing for the other side. :/
        jeremyjh 3y ago
        He just said all think tanks.
        kristopolous 3y ago
        And I meant it. Calling it "the other side" is a false dichotomy. There's certainly advocacy groups like Sea Shepherd but they don't wear cloaks of subterfuge to try to distance themselves from their structure and purpose like say, the heartland institute which among other things, was, at the time secretly, funded by Philip Morris to deny that smoking had health impacts. That's a different class of spin. But sure, the Brookings institution is mostly neoliberal radical centrist, fine. They are however, vast majority, on the right side of the spectrum and all the various flavors of right https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_think_tanks_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_think_tanks_in_the_U...
matchbok 3y ago
But still, blaming the issue on conservatives when they make up such a small portion of the state is an odd tactic. Perhaps it could be that some of your proposed "left" positions are just... not popular (or don't work, like rent control or defunding the police). On the other than, CA has the most government rules for housing and "leftist" policies in that regard and it has been nothing but an unmitigated disaster.

ZoomerCretin 3y ago

The Democratic party, especially at the local and state level, is almost always dominated by conservatives. Every election with low turnout skews conservative, and local elections frequently have <10% turnout.

marcusverus 3y ago
"State lawmakers also approved SB107, a bill designed to protect out-of-state transgender children and their families from civil and criminal penalties when seeking gender-affirming care."[0] The bill passed the assembly with 60 ayes and 19 nays. It passed the senate with 30 ayes and 9 nays.[1] They also passed anti-firearm legislation to allow private citizens to sue gunmakers.[0] It passed with 52 ayes/21 nays in the assembly and 26 ayes/9 nays in the senate. So California democrats toe the party line and vote with progressives on wedge issues. In what sense are they conservative? [0] https://apnews.com/article/california-gavin-newsom-climate-and-environment-government-politics-db57a00e0a8e4ecdd15e4495166c365f https://apnews.com/article/california-gavin-newsom-climate-a... [1] https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billVotesClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB107 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billVotesClient.xht... [2] https://www.capradio.org/articles/2022/07/22/newsom-signs-first-in-nation-bill-allowing-residents-to-sue-makers-sellers-of-illegal-assault-weapons/ https://www.capradio.org/articles/2022/07/22/newsom-signs-fi... [3] https://openstates.org/ca/bills/20212022/SB1327/ https://openstates.org/ca/bills/20212022/SB1327/
- ZoomerCretin 3y ago
  In the sense that they do not railroad cities and completely invalidate density-based zoning whose only historical basis is the exclusion of minorities from white neighborhoods.