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Yo Triggered. Maybe spring 2021. Guess part of problem with any issue these days, half of what you say is true, the other half starts to sound like 'crazy ol

Yo Triggered. Maybe spring 2021. Guess part of problem with any issue these days, half of what you say is true, the other half starts to sound like 'crazy old guy screaming at the wind'. Yes, there was some group hysteria, no there wasn't a group intent on 'scaring' the population to 'gain control'. Yes, requiring a mask out on a nature trail is little nutz, but also there were some going the other way 'I can cough on your grandpa if I want, this is a free country'.

ballenf 3y ago
Maybe a problem less controversial was the absence of trusted public health figures making concerted efforts to calm fears. And those that did try were belittled, minimized and castigated. They were the ones labeled as dangerous. Which sometimes drove them to perceive and describe a conspiracy of pro-fear institutions and actors, undermining their believability further than just the smearing of their status.
- FrustratedMonky 3y ago
  I remember it differently. The medical community was crying out that we needed to take action, and the administration downplayed it and delayed. It was opposite, those that spoke up to do something were squashed in favor of those saying 'its just a cold, suck it up'. The government didn't do anything until private companies started realizing something had to be done, namely the NBA. Nothing was moving until the NBA cancelled the season, then suddenly it was taken more seriously.
  - 6D794163636F756 3y ago
    Exactly. The reason the medical professionals weren't calming people down was because the general consensus was that we should have been panicking more. I was raised by a doctor and all I can remember is them being so tired. No one was following the recommendations, people were dying, and they were at an increased risk. No doctor was going to come on, lie, and tell people to do less. We barely did enough as was
JPKab 3y ago
I didn't say "gain control". You said that and put it in quotes. Public health leaders, such as Debbie Birx, believed that the ends justified the means, and knowingly obfuscated the risk stratification by age in a cynical effort to get younger people to comply with lockdowns out of self preservation. She wrote about this in her book, and also wrote that she and her colleagues KNEW that "2 weeks to flatten the curve" was a white lie, because otherwise the public would never have agreed to lockdowns in the first place.
- FrustratedMonky 3y ago
  Isn't that the point? If we let everyone catch it 'naturally', the young, then it would be impossible to isolate the groups at risk. Everyone seems to decry the lockdown, but if it was allowed to spread naturally, to all the young and healthy, then how would you prevent all the old teachers from getting it? Partial isolation in our world is impossible. I think you are cherry picking from her a little, at the time people were not listening at all, so being extra scary, and end-justifying to save people probably did occur to some as ok. But her saying there was a 'white lie' isn't a gatcha, there was a conspiracy, it doesn't mean suddenly the entire endeavor was wrong, we should do nothing, no lockdowns, let it spread.

ballenf 3y ago

Maybe a problem less controversial was the absence of trusted public health figures making concerted efforts to calm fears. And those that did try were belittled, minimized and castigated. They were the ones labeled as dangerous. Which sometimes drove them to perceive and describe a conspiracy of pro-fear institutions and actors, undermining their believability further than just the smearing of their status.

FrustratedMonky 3y ago
I remember it differently. The medical community was crying out that we needed to take action, and the administration downplayed it and delayed. It was opposite, those that spoke up to do something were squashed in favor of those saying 'its just a cold, suck it up'. The government didn't do anything until private companies started realizing something had to be done, namely the NBA. Nothing was moving until the NBA cancelled the season, then suddenly it was taken more seriously.
- 6D794163636F756 3y ago
  Exactly. The reason the medical professionals weren't calming people down was because the general consensus was that we should have been panicking more. I was raised by a doctor and all I can remember is them being so tired. No one was following the recommendations, people were dying, and they were at an increased risk. No doctor was going to come on, lie, and tell people to do less. We barely did enough as was

JPKab 3y ago

I didn't say "gain control". You said that and put it in quotes. Public health leaders, such as Debbie Birx, believed that the ends justified the means, and knowingly obfuscated the risk stratification by age in a cynical effort to get younger people to comply with lockdowns out of self preservation. She wrote about this in her book, and also wrote that she and her colleagues KNEW that "2 weeks to flatten the curve" was a white lie, because otherwise the public would never have agreed to lockdowns in the first place.

FrustratedMonky 3y ago
Isn't that the point? If we let everyone catch it 'naturally', the young, then it would be impossible to isolate the groups at risk. Everyone seems to decry the lockdown, but if it was allowed to spread naturally, to all the young and healthy, then how would you prevent all the old teachers from getting it? Partial isolation in our world is impossible. I think you are cherry picking from her a little, at the time people were not listening at all, so being extra scary, and end-justifying to save people probably did occur to some as ok. But her saying there was a 'white lie' isn't a gatcha, there was a conspiracy, it doesn't mean suddenly the entire endeavor was wrong, we should do nothing, no lockdowns, let it spread.