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There's a new Ubuntu Linux desktop on its way

13 points by CrankyBear 3y ago

warning26 3y ago
This is essentially the same as what Valve did with SteamOS on the Steam Deck right?
- suprjami 3y ago
  I've heard SteamOS is a/b updates of an entire filesystem, similar to Android phone OTA updates. It's discussed in one of the first two episodes of the Linux Matters podcast talking about the Steam Deck and ChimeraOS. https://linuxmatters.sh/ https://linuxmatters.sh/
karmakaze 3y ago
> [...] this new Snap-based Ubuntu should [...] Not interested.
belthesar 3y ago
I think the concept of Immutable Operating Systems is quite nice, and it's nice to see Ubuntu exploring it. It seems like, in principal, a rather nice way to provide a stable system that is set apart from the needs of individual applications. More distros taking a stab at this is a great way to shake out what does and doesn't work well in practice. However I, like many other folks, have not had the greatest experience with Snap as distribution method, and from a user experience perspective, feel that Flatpak is a better choice in this case, so I won't be entertaining this particular distro's attempts.
wkat4242 3y ago
I don't really like the idea of immutable OSes. I'd rather have good IDP but still retain full control rather than leaving everything to the OS developer. Immutable is getting too close to the mobile model where the user having root access is considered a bad thing. Apple has gone this way too and also didn't provide a way for the user to manage things without having to turn every security protection off altogether and also giving up some OS features in the process.
- housemusicfan 3y ago
  Windows has had similar functionality for ages in the form of System File Protection. OpenBSD has probably the most cumbersome approach of using multiple partitions and mounting those with system files as read-only. As inflexible as that is (sizing many partitions correctly is an unnecessary nightmare) it's better than Snap which is bloated from the get go.
  - wkat4242 3y ago
    It doesn't have to be a problem with those partitions. You could use zpools with different zfses inside. They can all use the same space yet are still different filesystems. But if FreeBSD or OpenBSD do something like this, they will make sure it can be managed by the user too, not like Apple.
    - housemusicfan 3y ago
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13 points by CrankyBear 3y ago

warning26 3y ago

This is essentially the same as what Valve did with SteamOS on the Steam Deck right?

suprjami 3y ago
I've heard SteamOS is a/b updates of an entire filesystem, similar to Android phone OTA updates. It's discussed in one of the first two episodes of the Linux Matters podcast talking about the Steam Deck and ChimeraOS. https://linuxmatters.sh/ https://linuxmatters.sh/

karmakaze 3y ago

> [...] this new Snap-based Ubuntu should [...] Not interested.

belthesar 3y ago

I think the concept of Immutable Operating Systems is quite nice, and it's nice to see Ubuntu exploring it. It seems like, in principal, a rather nice way to provide a stable system that is set apart from the needs of individual applications. More distros taking a stab at this is a great way to shake out what does and doesn't work well in practice. However I, like many other folks, have not had the greatest experience with Snap as distribution method, and from a user experience perspective, feel that Flatpak is a better choice in this case, so I won't be entertaining this particular distro's attempts.

wkat4242 3y ago

I don't really like the idea of immutable OSes. I'd rather have good IDP but still retain full control rather than leaving everything to the OS developer. Immutable is getting too close to the mobile model where the user having root access is considered a bad thing. Apple has gone this way too and also didn't provide a way for the user to manage things without having to turn every security protection off altogether and also giving up some OS features in the process.

housemusicfan 3y ago
Windows has had similar functionality for ages in the form of System File Protection. OpenBSD has probably the most cumbersome approach of using multiple partitions and mounting those with system files as read-only. As inflexible as that is (sizing many partitions correctly is an unnecessary nightmare) it's better than Snap which is bloated from the get go.
- wkat4242 3y ago
  It doesn't have to be a problem with those partitions. You could use zpools with different zfses inside. They can all use the same space yet are still different filesystems. But if FreeBSD or OpenBSD do something like this, they will make sure it can be managed by the user too, not like Apple.
  - housemusicfan 3y ago
    [dead]