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People love to rag on OpenAI for not being open (and they're right to do so!) but when I read posts like this I'm still thankful that OpenAI at least has APIs.

by d3nj4l 3y ago

People love to rag on OpenAI for not being open (and they're right to do so!) but when I read posts like this I'm still thankful that OpenAI at least has APIs. What Google AI product can you actually use for your day to day programming? I don't care if you have a fancy blog post and your system is 100x better than Copilot, at least I can use copilot!

Crash0v3rid3 3y ago
> What Google AI product can you actually use for your day to day programming? Well there is bard that is available in many locations. ...and if you want APIs there is a plethora of them on GCP.
- kccqzy 3y ago
  Especially that Bard was recently updated explicitly to support helping with coding tasks. https://blog.google/technology/ai/code-with-bard/amp/ https://blog.google/technology/ai/code-with-bard/amp/
Jleagle 3y ago
Hasn't the latest batch of AI's (gpt etc) all stemmed from work Google did years ago (transformers), and released white papers for, for free? No company has to offer APIs for you to play with, most don't in fact.
- judge2020 3y ago
  Sure, but chatgpt is so large in the public conscious because anyone can freely use gpt-3.5-turbo or pay a measly $20 for gpt-4. Some whitepapers made years ago pushed AI forward but didn't showcase its capabilities.
  - gl-prod 3y ago
    *Anyone not from a blocked country*
    - CamelCaseName 3y ago
      Kind of rich to say about OpenAI when Bard is still blocked in so many countries
      - gl-prod 3y ago
        Didn't mention Bard, but OpenAI will never be available in my country(Egypt). Bard is available tho.
skybrian 3y ago
While it's true that it's not directly useful, this take seems very self-centered. Sometimes it's interesting to read about the research companies are doing even if it's not generally available yet.
- passion__desire 3y ago
  hadoop comes to mind.
  - jeffbee 3y ago
    Hadoop is a great counterexample. They took some papers that loosely described an obsolete system that already had one foot in the grave, and reimplemented it badly for the public. It's what I like to call an "industry-disabling paper". If you would like to use some 2002 technology by all means adopt Hadoop.
    - passion__desire 3y ago
      But hdfs is now the backend storage for all Apache Spark systems.
      - jeffbee 3y ago
        That's been true for a decade and it was already obsolete the moment they wrote it.
jsnell 3y ago
It's not a product announcement. It's a description of research that appears to have been integrated into their internal day to day tooling. Do you also complain about e.g. research papers that are published on systems that you can't use?
rafark 3y ago
I might be wrong, but iirc Transformers were invented/designed by google, so these research “papers” are being used in some way. I think it’s a VERY good thing that they’re sharing this knowledge to the people instead of being stored internally. You know there will be someone who will take inspiration from this to create software.

by d3nj4l 3y ago

Crash0v3rid3 3y ago

> What Google AI product can you actually use for your day to day programming? Well there is bard that is available in many locations. ...and if you want APIs there is a plethora of them on GCP.

kccqzy 3y ago
Especially that Bard was recently updated explicitly to support helping with coding tasks. https://blog.google/technology/ai/code-with-bard/amp/ https://blog.google/technology/ai/code-with-bard/amp/

Jleagle 3y ago

Hasn't the latest batch of AI's (gpt etc) all stemmed from work Google did years ago (transformers), and released white papers for, for free? No company has to offer APIs for you to play with, most don't in fact.

judge2020 3y ago
Sure, but chatgpt is so large in the public conscious because anyone can freely use gpt-3.5-turbo or pay a measly $20 for gpt-4. Some whitepapers made years ago pushed AI forward but didn't showcase its capabilities.
- gl-prod 3y ago
  *Anyone not from a blocked country*
  - CamelCaseName 3y ago
    Kind of rich to say about OpenAI when Bard is still blocked in so many countries
    - gl-prod 3y ago
      Didn't mention Bard, but OpenAI will never be available in my country(Egypt). Bard is available tho.

skybrian 3y ago

While it's true that it's not directly useful, this take seems very self-centered. Sometimes it's interesting to read about the research companies are doing even if it's not generally available yet.

passion__desire 3y ago
hadoop comes to mind.
- jeffbee 3y ago
  Hadoop is a great counterexample. They took some papers that loosely described an obsolete system that already had one foot in the grave, and reimplemented it badly for the public. It's what I like to call an "industry-disabling paper". If you would like to use some 2002 technology by all means adopt Hadoop.
  - passion__desire 3y ago
    But hdfs is now the backend storage for all Apache Spark systems.
    - jeffbee 3y ago
      That's been true for a decade and it was already obsolete the moment they wrote it.

jsnell 3y ago

It's not a product announcement. It's a description of research that appears to have been integrated into their internal day to day tooling. Do you also complain about e.g. research papers that are published on systems that you can't use?

rafark 3y ago

I might be wrong, but iirc Transformers were invented/designed by google, so these research “papers” are being used in some way. I think it’s a VERY good thing that they’re sharing this knowledge to the people instead of being stored internally. You know there will be someone who will take inspiration from this to create software.