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Also Canadian. You seem to be saying "As long as I am entertained I don't care whether the entertainers are my peers, cultural or otherwise, or the serfs in som

by jtode 3y ago

Also Canadian. You seem to be saying "As long as I am entertained I don't care whether the entertainers are my peers, cultural or otherwise, or the serfs in some content factory in some lawless backwater." You definitely don't speak for us all, whatever the case.

gspencley 3y ago
> You definitely don't speak for us all, whatever the case. That was my point. No one can make broad generalizations about "the Canadian perspective." Like everyone, everywhere, we are all individuals. As such, those who speak of "the Canadian perspective" are not representing everyone in Canada. They can't. They certainly don't speak for me. > "As long as I am entertained I don't care whether the entertainers are my peers, cultural or otherwise Pretty much. Although I wouldn't use the words "serfs in some content factory." That choice of language speaks to an ideological bent that is VERY far removed from my own. But if I buy a music album that was recorded by a band based out of British Colombia, for example, they are no more "my peers" than if they were a K-Pop group based out of South Korea. Culturally? Culture is a matter of individual choices and preferences. One Canadian does not speak for another. So we're going in circles now.
- RedCondor 3y ago
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gerbilly 3y ago
> You definitely don't speak for us all, whatever the case. Yeah OP doesn't speak for me either. While this might not be implemented in the best way, Canadian culture is a real thing, but only because we are active in trying to protect it. And it goes double for French Canadian culture! I don't want my province to become another Louisiana, i.e.: a once French speaking region that is now nearly 100% anglophone, but hey there's this great French influence! Also FB puts news orgs in a bind because in order to compete, they need to give their content away for free on Facebook. This has put the squeeze on an industry that was already bleeding money from all the ads moving online. Because we are a small news market, this has been especially damaging to our journalism industry. If we lose it then it will be foreigners telling us what the 'facts' are in our own country, no thanks.
- 908B64B197 3y ago
  Aren’t the French Canadians notorious for buying and consuming their own culture? Friend of mine here in the bay area is French Canadian and his teenagers (both full Americans born here) both watch and follow French Canadians on TikTok, Instagram and YouTube. He explained to me that under Canadian law, absolutely none of that is Canadian Content or Culture. No subsidies, no quotas. Even a Denis Villeneuve movie isn't either. Apparently, to watch original content in French he has to VPN in Canada to be allowed to watch content that's only produced in Canada for French Canadians by CBC; they won't even make the smallest attempt at exporting it. Honestly the whole concept, to me, is bizarre.
  - jtode 3y ago
    Quebec is basically a confederate state that periodically holds a brexit referendum to threaten the rest of the country, and we all kiss their ass for a while and (so far) the secession No votes win out, for twenty years or so, rinse, repeat. The cancon rules play out in absurd ways on a regular basis; there was a case where a Bryan Adams album didn't qualify but an Aerosmith album did due to where it was recorded, and while I never looked too closely at either case I'm sure there was some bureaucratic discretion exercised somewhere along the way. That said, Cancon will always get my vote, I think we do have a distinct set of musical conventions from other places and it's got a lot to do with the government assistance.
    - 908B64B197 3y ago
      > confederate state > secession I don't know if these words have the same connotation in Canada as in the US, but these are two pretty loaded terms out here.
      - jtode 3y ago
        Well, they have racist laws aimed mainly at a specific group, and they literally have voted twice in my life about leaving Canada and shortly before I was born they had an IRA style terrorist group called the FLQ. It's a pretty loaded situation. Cause we're neither French nor English Parle Anglais ou Francis We hate each other like the plague And we hope it stays that way
alphanullmeric 3y ago
Feel free to watch whatever news you want, this discussion is about whether you should have the ability to make it illegal for others to do the same.
- jtode 3y ago
  Where is news being censored again?
  - alphanullmeric 3y ago
    Any news that refuses to pay a ransom it seems.
    - jtode 3y ago
      You are seriously misunderstanding the situation.
      - alphanullmeric 3y ago
        No, I just believe that force is only justified in response to force. Problem?
        jtode 3y ago
        Again though, Eliza, where is this force happening?
        alphanullmeric 3y ago
        What happens when Facebook does not pay the ransom?
        jtode 3y ago
        It's timewasting to try to keep going with this, but it is nonetheless fascinating, the level of cognitive dischord in the rhetoric. A ransom is paid to someone who has taken something that belongs to you; implying that Facebook somehow inherently has the right to do whatever they like, wherever they like, and if our appointed public representatives decide they have something to say about that, the brigands are the ones who legitimately have the right to set policy for how business is done in our country. It's not quite a gish gallop, but the time investment to engage directly is far too high.
kiawe_fire 3y ago
As an American, it’s strange seeing this discussed so openly. In the US, any notion of “protecting the culture” is considered taboo. Implying that outside influence would not be your peers, and using terms like “serfs in some content factory in some lawless backwater” would be considered downright racist. Personally, I can see value in keeping a thriving industry locally (which, again, is almost taboo in the US). I wonder how this compares to countries like, say, Japan or South Korea, which have thriving entertainment sectors of their own. Do they also have protection laws to enable this, or are they able to maintain this organically?
- jtode 3y ago
  I can see why people steeped in capitalist ideology, using phones built with child slavery, might not want to talk about the lawless backwaters where they do business. Discussing our own personal, sleek, pretty, touchscreen-having artifact of child slavery and how we all have one in our pockets would definitely make the people who own stock in the slave mine (edit: and that would be anyone with a retirement plan, more or less) uncomfortable. People might start getting woke, who knows.
  - kiawe_fire 3y ago
    I get it, but that’s definitely a larger first world problem affecting the people of many countries, I presume including Canada. You have plenty of people both willing and unwilling to face this issue everywhere. And you might be surprised by the types of people who share your attitude. They aren’t all as woke as you might think.
    - jtode 3y ago
      I seem to recall your president talking about "shithole countries" and to be clear, I do not mean countries. We have lawless backwaters right here in Manitoba. It's not a question of this or that geographical location, but of the willingness of capital to find the most lawless place it can find in which to operate, and the willingness of governments to be bought out of doing anything about it. My countryman wants his entertainment cheap at any cost, and that's the entirety of the problem we've got right now. The most destructive weapon I've seen in the last forty years is price tags.

by jtode 3y ago

gspencley 3y ago

> You definitely don't speak for us all, whatever the case. That was my point. No one can make broad generalizations about "the Canadian perspective." Like everyone, everywhere, we are all individuals. As such, those who speak of "the Canadian perspective" are not representing everyone in Canada. They can't. They certainly don't speak for me. > "As long as I am entertained I don't care whether the entertainers are my peers, cultural or otherwise Pretty much. Although I wouldn't use the words "serfs in some content factory." That choice of language speaks to an ideological bent that is VERY far removed from my own. But if I buy a music album that was recorded by a band based out of British Colombia, for example, they are no more "my peers" than if they were a K-Pop group based out of South Korea. Culturally? Culture is a matter of individual choices and preferences. One Canadian does not speak for another. So we're going in circles now.

RedCondor 3y ago
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gerbilly 3y ago

> You definitely don't speak for us all, whatever the case. Yeah OP doesn't speak for me either. While this might not be implemented in the best way, Canadian culture is a real thing, but only because we are active in trying to protect it. And it goes double for French Canadian culture! I don't want my province to become another Louisiana, i.e.: a once French speaking region that is now nearly 100% anglophone, but hey there's this great French influence! Also FB puts news orgs in a bind because in order to compete, they need to give their content away for free on Facebook. This has put the squeeze on an industry that was already bleeding money from all the ads moving online. Because we are a small news market, this has been especially damaging to our journalism industry. If we lose it then it will be foreigners telling us what the 'facts' are in our own country, no thanks.

908B64B197 3y ago
Aren’t the French Canadians notorious for buying and consuming their own culture? Friend of mine here in the bay area is French Canadian and his teenagers (both full Americans born here) both watch and follow French Canadians on TikTok, Instagram and YouTube. He explained to me that under Canadian law, absolutely none of that is Canadian Content or Culture. No subsidies, no quotas. Even a Denis Villeneuve movie isn't either. Apparently, to watch original content in French he has to VPN in Canada to be allowed to watch content that's only produced in Canada for French Canadians by CBC; they won't even make the smallest attempt at exporting it. Honestly the whole concept, to me, is bizarre.
- jtode 3y ago
  Quebec is basically a confederate state that periodically holds a brexit referendum to threaten the rest of the country, and we all kiss their ass for a while and (so far) the secession No votes win out, for twenty years or so, rinse, repeat. The cancon rules play out in absurd ways on a regular basis; there was a case where a Bryan Adams album didn't qualify but an Aerosmith album did due to where it was recorded, and while I never looked too closely at either case I'm sure there was some bureaucratic discretion exercised somewhere along the way. That said, Cancon will always get my vote, I think we do have a distinct set of musical conventions from other places and it's got a lot to do with the government assistance.
  - 908B64B197 3y ago
    > confederate state > secession I don't know if these words have the same connotation in Canada as in the US, but these are two pretty loaded terms out here.
    - jtode 3y ago
      Well, they have racist laws aimed mainly at a specific group, and they literally have voted twice in my life about leaving Canada and shortly before I was born they had an IRA style terrorist group called the FLQ. It's a pretty loaded situation. Cause we're neither French nor English Parle Anglais ou Francis We hate each other like the plague And we hope it stays that way

alphanullmeric 3y ago

Feel free to watch whatever news you want, this discussion is about whether you should have the ability to make it illegal for others to do the same.

jtode 3y ago
Where is news being censored again?
- alphanullmeric 3y ago
  Any news that refuses to pay a ransom it seems.
  - jtode 3y ago
    You are seriously misunderstanding the situation.
    - alphanullmeric 3y ago
      No, I just believe that force is only justified in response to force. Problem?
      - jtode 3y ago
        Again though, Eliza, where is this force happening?
        alphanullmeric 3y ago
        What happens when Facebook does not pay the ransom?
        jtode 3y ago
        It's timewasting to try to keep going with this, but it is nonetheless fascinating, the level of cognitive dischord in the rhetoric. A ransom is paid to someone who has taken something that belongs to you; implying that Facebook somehow inherently has the right to do whatever they like, wherever they like, and if our appointed public representatives decide they have something to say about that, the brigands are the ones who legitimately have the right to set policy for how business is done in our country. It's not quite a gish gallop, but the time investment to engage directly is far too high.

kiawe_fire 3y ago

As an American, it’s strange seeing this discussed so openly. In the US, any notion of “protecting the culture” is considered taboo. Implying that outside influence would not be your peers, and using terms like “serfs in some content factory in some lawless backwater” would be considered downright racist. Personally, I can see value in keeping a thriving industry locally (which, again, is almost taboo in the US). I wonder how this compares to countries like, say, Japan or South Korea, which have thriving entertainment sectors of their own. Do they also have protection laws to enable this, or are they able to maintain this organically?

jtode 3y ago
I can see why people steeped in capitalist ideology, using phones built with child slavery, might not want to talk about the lawless backwaters where they do business. Discussing our own personal, sleek, pretty, touchscreen-having artifact of child slavery and how we all have one in our pockets would definitely make the people who own stock in the slave mine (edit: and that would be anyone with a retirement plan, more or less) uncomfortable. People might start getting woke, who knows.
- kiawe_fire 3y ago
  I get it, but that’s definitely a larger first world problem affecting the people of many countries, I presume including Canada. You have plenty of people both willing and unwilling to face this issue everywhere. And you might be surprised by the types of people who share your attitude. They aren’t all as woke as you might think.
  - jtode 3y ago
    I seem to recall your president talking about "shithole countries" and to be clear, I do not mean countries. We have lawless backwaters right here in Manitoba. It's not a question of this or that geographical location, but of the willingness of capital to find the most lawless place it can find in which to operate, and the willingness of governments to be bought out of doing anything about it. My countryman wants his entertainment cheap at any cost, and that's the entirety of the problem we've got right now. The most destructive weapon I've seen in the last forty years is price tags.