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Conservative Americans are building a parallel economy?
- Jtsummers 3y agohttps://archive.is/uEwML https://archive.is/uEwML
- AlbertCory 3y agohttps://archive.ph/uEwML https://archive.ph/uEwML
- incomingpain 3y agoIt has been interesting to watch this divide widen. Done out of necessity because politically motivated people in power have decided to not service conservatives. How ironic that each of these brands are collapsing shortly afterwards. Most recent big one was 'bed bath and beyond' wherein they marketed #grabyourwallet to boycott trump family products. But then less a year later, they even extended it so many other conservative brands.
- Akronymus 3y agoTo me, it feels like people who don't align with the democrat agenda are more and more pushed out/vilified. So, I certainly cant fault them for trying to build up a parallel economy.
- giraffe_lady 3y agoI assure you we don't feel like we align with "the democrat agenda" either. Rainbow capitalism and corporate pandering are small consolation in the face of book bans and the stripping away of already-pitiful medical care access.
- Timon3 3y agoCan you put into words what this "democrat agenda" is? I see this repeated ad nauseam, but everyone has their own ideas of what it is. Most of what I've seen seems to boil down to "I want to behave like an asshole, and don't want to be called out" - but I'm happy to be proven wrong with well-thought-out arguments!
- Akronymus 3y agoSeemingly only allowing affirmation of people claiming to be trans, rather than resorting to affirmation as a later thing. Unrestricted abortion rights (Up to birth), gun control, no voter ID, along with lots of nuance in stuff such as environmental protections. Thanks for challenging me to write it out.
- Timon3 3y ago> Seemingly only allowing affirmation of people claiming to be trans, rather than resorting to affirmation as a later thing. According to everything I've seen and read, affirmation is very important in preventing suicides. I'm assuming you're talking about "affirming too early", or in other words "convincing" somebody of being trans, correct? If that's the case, wouldn't we expect a relatively high regret rate, compared to the real regret rate which is already way lower than almost any other medical intervention? > Unrestricted abortion rights (Up to birth) Can you show me where you get this? Sure, part of the Democrat party has this as a goal, but definitely not the whole party. > no voter ID Is the agenda "no voter ID", or is it "no disadvantaging minorities"? If it were the earlier, it should be very easy for republicans to say "we hear your fears, here is what we'll do to alleviate the problems" - but somehow they never call the democrat bluff, and they keep insisting on voter ID without ensuring equal access, right?
- gedy 3y agoI think it goes beyond politics and into people's morality - many, many folks in the US do not agree with gender fluidity, "sex positive", homosexuality in minors, etc and they are leaving brands, media, etc that support this.
- foogazi 3y agoSounds like they are missing out
- CyberDildonics 3y agoWho is not 'not servicing conservatives' and what does that mean exactly?
- gremlinsinc 3y ago> Done out of necessity because politically motivated people in power have decided to not service conservatives. you realize conservatives did it first, right? First with segregation, no black people in my bar, then that wasn't allowed any more, but a bakery could deny baking a cake for a gay wedding. I mean, you could take it back to slavery even, which itself was an alternative economy of sorts. People being used as currency, etc...
- epistasis 3y agoThis is smoke and mirrors. At least for the time being. There are a bunch of super wealthy people pushing hard for this, but it certainly doesn't exist today, except as a series of failures such as Theil's "anti-woke" bank: https://www.wsj.com/articles/glorifi-how-new-anti-woke-bank-stumbled-11665174704 https://www.wsj.com/articles/glorifi-how-new-anti-woke-bank-... Meanwhile, despite a noisy "backlash", ESG investing stays strong. The anti-woke do not have the numbers on their side when it comes to either population or economic power. Lots of sizzle, no steak.
- asciii 3y ago> https://www.wsj.com/articles/glorifi-how-new-anti-woke-bank- https://www.wsj.com/articles/glorifi-how-new-anti-woke-bank-... https://archive.is/yDNrx https://archive.is/yDNrx
- d3vmax 3y agoThiel, Elon, Sacks, Chamath - A pattern is emerging.
- guestbest 3y agoI don’t think John Q Normie is either woke or anti-woke, but is ambivalent and will gravitate towards whatever goods and services are the most convenient
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- ekianjo 3y ago> ESG investing stays strong Because that's the only game in town, mind-share wise. > The anti-woke do not have the numbers on their side for now. but as you move to digital currencies and when banks start to punish you by kicking you out of your account for having non-mainstream discourse online, things may change. Those days are not too far.
- epistasis 3y agoPeople aren't going to decide first "I want to do political investing, not let's decide between ESG or anti-woke." ESG investing exists because there is demand for it. Anti-woke investing, or a parallel economy, does not exist because there's not enough demand for it. Saying that ESG investing is strong because it's "the only game in town" gets the causality all wrong Anti-woke options are there, they failed due to their unpopularity, not because ESG investing anlready exists.
- nerdchum 3y agoI bet a conservative search engine would make big $$.
- gremlinsinc 3y agolike, one that filters out anything about the holocaust being real? Probably... I'm sure someone will create a right wing biased gpt clone to create more echo chambers.
- greggsy 3y agoGoogle already serve ads to people according to their market segments, and they have long ceased promotion of their ‘don’t be evil’ moniker.
- kerblang 3y agohttps://www.vox.com/recode/22981115/duckduckgo-free-speech-privacy-oops https://www.vox.com/recode/22981115/duckduckgo-free-speech-p...
- mensetmanusman 3y agoA natural consequence of consumers getting annoyed with how monocultural mainstream corporations are pushing political topics into breakfast decisions.
- travisjungroth 3y agoThat doesn’t seem like a fair read at all. If seeing two men on a cereal box makes you go and buy gun-themed coffee, it’s not because you find politics categorically annoying.
- mensetmanusman 3y agoIt might when the movement spills out of control and cancels women and their sports in their small hometown.
- dkjaudyeqooe 3y agoDepends on what those two men are doing. If they're pointing guns at each other in a non-sexual manner, that's ok.
- sebstefan 3y ago>Rather than fruitlessly scouring Hinge for fellow right-wingers you can now make a profile on the Right Stuff, a dating app that helps users get to know each other by eliciting responses to prompts like “January 6th was” or “favourite liberal lie”. Or it's just a result of the polarization of the political landscape The premise of these apps looks like a cult
- dkjaudyeqooe 3y agoYes I ignore the quality of the products I buy and only want to know if they're woke or not. Maybe they can add something to the nutritional information table? Or maybe just "Warning may contain traces of woke."
- asoneth 3y agoI would think consumers annoyed by politics would gravitate to companies that attempt to remain entirely neutral and avoid making statements one way or the other. However, the article describes consumers gravitating to companies that match their political beliefs. This implies that they aren't annoyed by companies who push political topics, just by companies that push politics they disagree with.
- hiatus 3y agoIn what way is this a parallel economy? It seems more like advertising, to me.
- brodouevencode 3y agoIn the 90s it was the same behavior but in the opposite direction. Reaganism started taking a toll on the psyche of the burgeoning GenXers who were just getting into the marketplace and very non-conservative things like Nickelodean, hardcore rap/rock/grunge/alternative, Beavis and Butthead, and other pop-culture shifted hard against it. Many companies followed suit providing products that suited that generation. The market works. It will follow the buyers.
- htag 3y agoI would have liked to see more numbers in this article. Have any of these brands gone public or released revenue figures? What's the highest valuation in the tech space? Which brands are squaring up best from their 'mainstream' counterparts? I can only imagine these were omitted because they are unimpressive. Still, I've often wondered if beating the conservative/republican drum loudly could be leveraged into wealth.
- dkjaudyeqooe 3y agoThe (far) right already has its own, often nonsensical, version of truth, and everything else flows from that. When they encounter something that is contrary to their truth, they reject or avoid it, requiring an alternative that is consistent. Fox News is the obvious example but it naturally just keeps on spreading. It's not by accident that conservative talk shows mostly sell miracle cures in their advertising.
- chucksta 3y agoPointing sides is useless and perpetuating a problem, there is no longer any paragons of objective truth in MSM.
- dkjaudyeqooe 3y agoThe far left isn't much better, but the right just happens to be particularly crazy. I'm hardly picking sides. Your attack on "MSM" is picking sides though.
- chucksta 3y agoHow so?
- stronglikedan 3y agoIt's not limited to the far right. It's the far-{insert group here} (left, socialist, capitalist, activist, whatever). It's the extremist mindset that has all that. As the centrist meme says, "I just want to grill."
- jchw 3y agoI would like a parallel economy for people who have become averse to "culture war" pandering, because frankly my problem is that I'm tired of all of the empty soulless rhetoric wearing the skin of activism. I don't want "the other side" in this false dichotomy, I want less bullshit. Because I know it's bullshit, because I know that neither megacorps like Nestlé nor reactionary popups like Truth Social actually have any good faith intentions and are just cashing in. I'm sorry. It all feels like bullshit to me. I guess the argument is supposed to be that even if corporations are being dishonest, it's okay if their dishonesty is progressive. Well, it doesn't seem to be working, to me. Seems like things are at best still a frustrating game of give and take, and at worst, people are as divided and unhappy as they have been in a while.
- cpursley 3y agoThe most interesting thing to happen politically over the last 20 years are "progressives" embracing big corporations and endless war.
- CyberDildonics 3y agoWhat endless war?
- bryanlarsen 3y agoIt happened a lot earlier than that. Progressives embracing corporations is neoliberalism which got big in the 80's.
- text0404 3y agoliberals (classical liberals who support capitalism and free markets) embracing corporations is neoliberalism. progressivism generally doesn't support ideas like small government or privatization or deregulation. "neoliberalism" is a right-wing philosophy.
- HDThoreaun 3y agoDemocrats are the party of the educated elite. As the percentage of college educated increased they become a big enough block to take control of the party from the blue collar group. Big corporations have served the well educated population of this country quite well in general.
- TobyTheDog123 3y agoThe issue is so many of these brands are labelling themselves as conservative and are therefore unpalatable to not only those on the left, but to those who lean towards the center or aren't politically minded. If these companies began being subtle ("normal") about their policies, even if they're more conservative than the YouTubes or Metas of the world, the conservative parallel economy might gain some traction. In addition, I've been under the impression that conservatives just can't do tech - the vast majority of people who create beautiful user experiences and interfaces fall on the left. Perhaps its an empathy thing (not to say conservatives aren't empathetic, but perhaps the left is overly-so). The one exception being, strangely, Truth Social, which I thought had a pretty good UI/UX given the space they occupy.
- timbit42 3y agoDid conservatives create Truth Social? Isn't it just a Mastodon instance?
- raheemm 3y agoFox News was built by serving the needs of a segment of the market that felt underserved. It’s a very effective strategy.
- Julesman 3y agoBlackrock owns all those companies too. lol.
- Julesman 3y agoI don't get the down votes. Blackrock owns a good 10% of every industry. That's not controversial. So the possibility that they would have their hand in right wing businesses isn't a stretch.
- sattoshi 3y agoIs this not the logical conclusion to « just build your own X? »
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- erikpukinskis 3y agoI suspect this will be as successful as leftist brands are: Credo mobile, various hippie brands, etc. I don’t buy the narrative that companies like Google are “leftist”… sure you can find stories about some progressive decision being made, but there are just as many regressive decisions being made (union busting, protecting sexual harassers in high levels, etc).